Show: Master Gardener Station: KNCO File: 9:12.mp3 Air date: 2026-09-12 Source: OpenAI whisper-1 · shrunk from 123.7 MB to 24.7 MB, split into 8 pieces --- transcript --- Good morning, Nevada County. Welcome to Master Gardeners and Friends, KNCO radio program. My name is Carla Hanson and I am here today with Jenny Renfrew. I'm back after a long absence. Nice to have you. Nice to have you. Thank you. Our program is brought to you by the University of California Cooperative Extension, United States Department of Agriculture, Nevada County Master Gardeners and, of course, KNCO News Radio Long with all of their fine sponsors. As Nevada County Master Gardeners, our mission is to inspire foothill home gardeners to embrace research-based sustainable gardening practices so our community and environment thrive. This is a two-way radio program and we are here for you. So we're inviting you to call us today at 530-477-5626 or text us at 530-913-4685 to ask your question or to share with us and others what is happening in your garden. Give us a call. We welcome your challenges, look forward to helping you find answers to all your gardening dilemmas. Again, the phone number is 530-477-5626 and the text line is 530-913-4685. And, of course, photos can be sent through the text line and that way we can look at your bugs, your plants, anything that you have a problem with and we look forward to your call. We're going to start off this morning with our events calendar. Today we have a workshop over there at the Demonstration Garden on the NID Grounds. Exactly, it is on the NID Grounds. And today the program is Lawns and Native Grasses, Planting with Purpose. And, you know, the lawns and also the native grasses add so much to our homes and I know that the lawns, we're kind of getting away from those who are trying to do more grasses and such, but very, very, a whole lot of information for you to go to. So I wanted to say that first thing this morning because it starts at 10 o'clock and you can just show up and they'll accept you gladly. So with that, we also ask you if you would please make some suggestions. We always, you know, we have Master Gardener meetings, of course, and we try to think of new ideas. But maybe there's something that you have a question about. Maybe there's something you have, something that you'd like to learn. You know, give us a call. Give us a call on the hotline. Give us a call today. We would love to hear from you. Love, love, love to hear from you. Yes, we are in the process right now of scheduling all our programs, our workshops for the next year. So since the timing is very good for your suggestions and if there's something that, we think of things, but the public has sometimes a whole different picture of what they would like to hear about. So we would love to have your ideas. You know, Jenny was talking this morning when she came in that, you know, we used to have a program, workshop I should say, with it. We used to taste tomatoes. And I actually did that workshop and I wasn't a Master Gardener there. But maybe that's something that we need to bring back. But we need to hear from you guys to let us know if this is something, you know, that interests you. It was a tool that we used, that particular demonstration workshop was to let us know what you wanted us to grow for our plant sale the following May, the following first, we always have them this Saturday before Mother's Day. And so it gave us a lot of great ideas what you really wanted to have to purchase come springtime and ready to put them in the garden. You know, also, I think you probably got that too. We got a little email that talked about wanting to have some perennials. Yes. And, you know, I throw this out to the public too. If you have a surplus of a certain kind of perennial, you know, we do our plant sale to basically fund Master Gardeners. And we, you know, we need things to be done at the demonstration garden. And we're very often very short of monies. So please, if you have any perennials, I would call the radio station and maybe we can arrange a setup of picking up some. We have, I know that I have some day lilies that, I'm kind of tired of the color. It's time for a change. It's time for a change or to add a different color. And mine are orange. And I know that when I went to the plant sale, when we had it at Mother's Day, I ended up taking a bunch of them and just handing them out to the people. But now they're asking again for them. And so now we're going to put those in pots and to sell them. So if you have some perennials and they can be any kind at all, even, you know, I even have a friend of mine that has a very special rose and that you have to be careful with because some of them are, what do they call them? Patented. Patented. Yes, definitely. And she says they're just, there's two of them she has and they're English roses and the fragrance is sublime. I mean, sublime. And you know, as well as I do, we get some gorgeous roses for Mother's Day or whatever. And the first thing you do, what do you do? Try to smell them. And they have no fragrance. And she was telling me that they both have this wonderful fragrance. And I've forgotten what the fragrance is. I think it's of oranges. But it's, so I'm going sometime this week and I'm going to try to see if I can't propagate those two roses. And sadly, they were so focused on appearance for such a long time. And their focus was there on the appearance rather than on the scent. And so sometimes you have to get the old roses in order to get the wonderful smells. Oh, I so agree. The David Austin are very good at having some wonderful fragrances. Yes, English. Yes, yes. But even, you know, Kennedy, what is it? I can't think of the right name, but there's Peace that's also is just so... Oh, yes. And that's beautiful too. Oh, my gosh. Yes. It's just gorgeous. Just gorgeous. I had some roses come in in a bouquet the other day at another place where I volunteer. And I was just amazed at the orange color of them. And I don't know what they were. There was no way, you know, I'm not that totally versed on identifying roses, but they were gorgeous and I'd love to know what they were. Well, let's go on just for a little sidetrack as far as propagating roses. You know, I have done that. Have you propagated? I have not. Well, my ten and a half acres is not fenced. So, I share. So, I tried roses for a while and the deer just... the deer won. Your dog doesn't keep them away, huh? Well, he barks, but most often when I'm home, he's in the house with me. And I'm not about to let him out because a deer can harm a dog. Yes, yes. Yes, they sometimes would, especially during the time when they're having their babies. They're rutting. Well, actually, the rutting season when the males are... That's right. Then, too. And they will chase the dog and I don't want to take... So, folks out there, don't take chances with your animals. I've been very fortunate because the majority of the time I've had a dog, if it's out, it will chase deer, but once they get him running, they're all proud and happy and they come back, the dog does, and the deer is gone. But I've heard lately of some horror stories of people have had some real problems with the deer coming after the dog after that. You know, I have a 110-pound Great Pyrenees. Oh, do you? And she is out all the time. Yes. Okay. Other than night, bring her at night. Yeah, do you have a herd of something? No, but I have a herd of deer. Okay. And this is... I have... My property is also fenced and electrified in the back because I had too many bears attacking my trees. And they don't just eat the apples, they destroy the trees. Yes. And so, she's out an awful lot of the time, but what happens with her, which is really kind of funny, is a deer comes in the front yard and she looks and she goes, hey, Fred, how you doing? Hey, Sasha, I'm doing pretty good. You know, they're almost like friends and stuff. Yeah, they're her buddies. They are, you know, they're almost like buddies and I guess they just figure, you know, they're going to be okay, you know. Yeah. And I don't know. And the only thing is every so often we have also a little Chewini and the Chewini thinks it's going to go after the deer. Oh. And that's not a good thing. No, that is... That wouldn't be good because those little legs wouldn't get it away fast enough. 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We still have a few left and so we thought maybe that would be a good thing to present to you now so you don't miss anything. We'll just mention the upcoming ones for September and October. There's only two in November so I might as well cover those too. Today, as we mentioned earlier, was lawns and native grasses. On September 26, a couple of weeks from now, is cool season vegetables. What a great thing to get started. There's so many wonderful vegetables you can grow for winter by starting them now. That's a very good workshop to come to. It covers quite a bit and we'll get you started on an annual event, I think. One of those is garlic and potatoes. Potatoes are so much fun. I've done that a couple of times. I should do that again this year. You've got to have some kind of a project. When you're by yourself and you're smaller, just one or two or three people, a lot of times you don't grow as much because I have a neighbor, thank goodness, who grows just about everything. I've had the wonderful benefit this year of our clients. She shares with the neighbors. She just lets us know when she's got an abundance and we can call her back and set a time and go over and pick up all kinds of wonderful things. This year, there was a great abundance of the Persian or English cucumbers. Oh, they're so good. Marinate them or put them in balsamic vinegar and salt and pepper and just let them sit around. They're so good. I so agree with you. One thing, though, too, is I have a friend of mine that has a special cucumber and they're very, very tiny. I've never had those before. I asked her, I said, give me a favor, let one of them go to seed because as long as you don't have another cucumber plant in your immediate area, and I'm also in Big Acreage, then the plant will be good. Tomatoes, it's a hodgepodge because the bees go all around. Cucumbers are the same thing. Green beans are exactly the same thing. You don't get the true what you want to have from what's planted. but um so she saved me one but i'm afraid she got a little bit too soon so oh i know i know so um ask her to save one yes that that's what a good idea that would be a very good idea okay so close season vegetables then october 3rd coming up will be spring flowers and um one warning i might give you attached to spring flowers is in the spring you see all kinds of wonderful wildflowers blooming everywhere and people think oh should i plant some of those well you should have done that in the fall so that that happens every year to people and i feel so bad so if you're thinking of it doing you know october november sprinkle your seeds out then maybe when when the rain starts that's a good time to do it because you know the time for your seeds not your seeds excuse me your roots to develop is the winter yes the winter people forget about that i had a friend who asked me says i need to plant my berries should i wait till spring i'm going no you're doing it now yeah get it done after spring flowers on october 10th is a native plant round table your questions about plants native plants will be answered at that one and it's that's a very good workshop as well october 17th a week later is designing and planting your vegetable garden always good get that done in the fall so you're ready to have it all set up for the spring october 24th is a workshop on compost and compost is basically a very simple thing but it's a there's always handouts at workshops of that nature that gives you the abcs on a very small piece of paper you know just big enough to have have somewhere close by that you can double check if you're doing it right you know and once you know the basics it's just so unbelievably simple and let me just share with you all that for the most part i compost and i leave it yeah um kevin used to say it's walk and drop we walk and drop and put it on top of there and then other things and i leave it alone and a year later let me tell you the soil that you have oh my goodness yes yeah it is and if all of if any of you are starting this maybe through the winter because it's a perfect time with the rain and such you know when we have um if you have some charcoal left over from burning that hasn't burned through throw your charcoal down at the bottom and then put your compost on top because that's what biochar is so kind of put that in your head this year i'm actually going to start some biochar are you good because you know charcoal by itself will take the minerals away from your plants so you don't want to put charcoal down on your plants okay in your compost let it absorb all those things that's going to come through from the rain uh-huh oh let me tell you very good yeah after let's see the vegetable garden compost and then in november there are two workshops and these are both really good ones uh fall fruit tree pruning which is often a mystery and we have somebody that does a really good demonstration on that yep and then he walks on water yes he does yeah we hope he is yeah and that that is a great one and then november 14th will be the last workshop for 2026 and that is on blueberries and um just from a personal standpoint the most successful blueberries i've seen grown are those grown in containers but i'm i need to attend this workshop so i can find out more about that and see if i can't get some on the ground as well you guys are wonderful i did blueberries but you know um i have my hand in too many pots yeah and um a little bit of things that you find there's out of sight out of mind and i planted it in an area where i don't see it all the time so therefore it has not done well i think i planted maybe five plants um 20 years ago and i have one that's just still making it and and i need to dig it up and you know i think you're very right in that putting it in a container though i do have a friend more controlled yeah more control and make it visual put it someplace where you see it you know one out of sight out of mind yes but this the person that i know that had that has them and pots they were given to them by somebody else that moved out of the area and they were so they were already full grown but he has the pots on his deck and so every time he's out on the deck which they spend time out there in the summer eating and it's right outside the kitchen window so you when you're looking out the kitchen window you're looking at the deck so it's perfect location for it and they do very very well and i like i didn't used to think i liked blueberries i'm not crazy about blueberry muffins and so i thought i didn't like blueberries but blueberries by themselves i love them they are so good i'm with you i didn't i even didn't used to like them at all even in a muffin i didn't care for him too much but i think i made myself like them because they're so dag blasted good for you some of the best ones come from costco i've done advertising costco just where i seem to really get real good ones i agree with you one thing i wanted to mention before we go on is um you know we have the lawn and native grasses workshop today as i shared already with you um today this morning at 10 o'clock and like i said again please just go ahead and go you may be a little bit late but you're still going to get some good information but one thing while you're driving there to go there you know remember that everything that you put on your lawn and you have animals your animals walk on that and when you're putting insecticide on your grass your animals walk on it you know take some extra time dig up the dandelions whatever do not do not put items on your grass that your animals can digest through their paws yeah make sure you read the labels any no matter what you're using of any kind anything for any reason read the labels very carefully yeah you know i i'm totally go with organic um fish emulsion works super but do not everything you know everybody likes to have some a nutrition you know a nitrogen fix yes don't do that you know it's just you know do only if it's organic and of course a nitrogen fix of course would be fish emulsion yes but you can spray nicely on there and this is the time when you are not going to pick up your grasses your grasses are now going to you're going to get rid of your grass catcher and you're going to let the grass go all on on your whole lawn because what's going to happen during the winter is it's going to get watered in and it's going to come compost and that is a nice easy way to compost your lawn naturally that is a very good way and and i know there's a lot of um a lot of people are doing away with lawns and i understand that but i have to admit i still have a couple of lawns behind i do yeah i i just i just like them and i and i'm sorry i know it's watering and all that sort of thing but i but i'm on acreage and i'm on a well and i and the lawns aren't that big they aren't my they aren't 10 acres of lawn trust me yeah no i have i have a little bit of lawn in the front too and one the deer love it and i'm okay with sharing and as we've shared already sasha's fine with them coming on and moseying on with the grass sasha is a great pyrenees she is a great pyrenees more so yeah yeah so um anyway just a refresher just think about what you're using even when you're spraying things around um i also am a beekeeper have had bees for a long time just recently got rid of them but only because the ants just took over but do remember also when you're spraying something and if you just feel like you have to spray it i know they do peach curl and other things for apples and peach excuse me peaches and other things for apples but spray after the sun goes down or or before the sun goes up because that's when the bees are out we need to think about our pollinators oh that's so true yeah we don't have the bees like we used to and we're going to have another break come along right so give us 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the fall um this is a perfect time to get ready for spring but it's also a perfect time for bulbs right now the best selection is in the stores if this if you go in now you find the finest bulbs go now before they get picked over that's true if they they go fast they go fast yes especially the daffodils you know you can go to a certain store and they have huge huge bags and you can buy a little tiny bag for the same price as the huge huge yes i saw that too and daffodils are a beautiful thing to to start planting one year i bought 800 daffodil bulbs oh jeez yes and we're overzealous but what i did was plant them two weeks apart and it's funny because they they bloomed two weeks apart so i had a continual first year the first well first second third it was pretty much the same way they've they've kind of did but they're still spread over a long period of time they have never gone to all at once flush and then back so it was really it was surprising i had the reason i had to do them two weeks apart was because i didn't have enough energy to plant in one week or something of that nature and i even the last of them went in at thanksgiving when i had guests and i i drafted a few people to help me and we actually put some in pots and buried the pots and then when they started to come up dug them up and put them where we wanted them which was fun brings to mind is you know we plant daffodils every so often with master gardeners and you know that you go on the freeway all those all those daffodils were planted by master gardeners and again i bring it up again but you know even if you want to go to the store and you don't want to plant these 800 daffodils you know give us a call you know we would love to have some daffodil bulbs donated so that we can go out last time we went to memorial park the time before that it was madeline helly yes i don't think they want us on the freeway anymore we ran into a problem because they want us to have certain insurance and you know certain times and it just they made it impossible i'll just put it that way that the state and the state of california made it impossible for us to do it anymore on the freeways because we'd love to if we could they could we could do that all they'd have to do is you know they have the chippies out there watching for the workers and they could put a chippy out there and we could be on that whole side there and maybe close yeah there are ways around it but they yes yeah we wish they would it would be a lot of it'd be a lot of fun to have but we've done it at parks like you said we've done it memorial park public public areas is where we want to plant so if you have suggestions for that we'd love to have a call from you as well because if there's some we've done it at cemeteries all kinds of places or even if you want to donate some daffodils i know that we have our office open over there by the veterans building on south auburn and you can drop them by right there and um usually we're there no positively we're there from 10 o'clock until 12 on what day is now tuesdays just on tuesdays now tuesdays yeah i don't know there's I'll have to get information on that and update it because it has changed, but I think you're right on Tuesdays. Yeah, it used to be Tuesday, Thursday, and then there were some diffugalties with that going on. I know the county lost someone that would, you know, whatever. I don't know all this situation. But, yeah, it's Tuesday for sure at the hotline. It's hard to keep up with it all. It is. It is. They do send us e-mails and all, but Jenny's right. It is hard to keep up with all of it. When you're out picking bulbs, selecting bulbs, be sure to go up with the largest. The larger ones are going to give you the larger flowers. They need to be healthy, nice and firm, never squishy, not peeling a lot either. And if you are careful in your selection, you'll have a much better display in the spring. One thing that I did one year was buy at a swap meet or yard sale. In fact, it was Presbyterian Church when they used to do their big yard sale things in the fall. Oh, I remember that. I bought a headboard and footboard of an old wrought iron bed, and then I put sides on it. My husband did it. I didn't personally. I now have a planting bed just for daffodils and other such things, hyacinths and Dutch iris and stuff. Talk about some garden art. The first year I did it in quilt. I did a quilt kind of pattern in it, but I haven't been that energetic since. This year I'm planning to dig up all the bulbs that are in there and redo them. What's fun about that is you can try some daffodils that aren't just yellow. I have some white daffodils with pink centers. And the fluffy ones. Yes. Costco's great at having those. We're pitching Costco today, but trust me, Costco's great at having beautiful bulbs. Our local nurseries are wonderful as well. Go there and select. They have a good variety of things. The huge bags, we know where to get those, but the ones that are half a dozen bulbs in a package, that's where you get the specialty ones. I have some wonderful, beautiful daffodils and narcissus that I've gotten that way at our local nurseries. It's really great to do that and just to try some different things. They last a long time when you bring them in the house. If you cut them and bring them in the house, you can enjoy them either that or enjoy them in the garden. They'll last even longer. The only thing you cannot do is you cannot put daffodils in the same vase with roses. Oh, interesting. I didn't know that. Because they will do the roses in fast. Or it's the daffodils that go fast. One of them doesn't like the other. They don't like the other. They're not good company. Keep them by themselves. It's kind of funny. You go to one of the great places that we have to shop in Roseville, and they sell daffodils, believe it or not, all by themselves laying flat in a container. You take them home. You cut the tens off, and you put them in water, and they're fine. Yeah. That's always amazing. Isn't it, though? There's so much moisture in those. Yeah. Yes. Let's talk also a little bit about what you're going to plant, how you're going to plant those daffodils. Well, I think there's a general basic rule for planting any bulb, and that's two and a half times its height. That's a good thing to remember. And I always get this mixed up. It's bone meal or bone – what do you put in the bottom? Bone meal, blood meal. Blood meal. Thank you. So it's one or the other. It's not both. I've put both. I'm going to go look it up. That's a good idea. Or if you know out there, you let us know. Yeah. But I'm going to go look it up. And they do have foods that are specifically for bulbs. It just says bulb food. The one thing I have found that you have to be careful of, if you have dogs or other wild animals who do this, too, they get the scent of that blood meal and they dig it up. So you have to be pretty careful. And we always have to try and protect them when we first put them in so that we have a chance. I haven't had any trouble with that personally, but I know it does happen. Yeah, I'm sitting here looking at AI and AI. You know, everybody's gone crazy with AI. Not me. But, you know, again, checked on it. It says in here, choose the right bulbs. Select bulbs like tulips, daffodils, or hyacinths that thrive when planted in the fall. Timing, plant bulbs six to eight weeks before the first hard frost to ensure proper root development. As we talked earlier, this is the time. The winter is the time that the roots are going to grow in the soil. So remember that for bulbs also. Soil preparation, loosen the soil and mix in compost to improve drainage and nutrients. Planting depth, generally plant bulbs at a depth of two to three times their height. Ensure proper growth. Watering, water the bulbs to help settle it, of course, and avoid overwatering because you can rot them also, which is kind of interesting. But I know that it's one or the other. Now I'm going to keep looking. Well, one of the things that you'll find, too, is that in planting bulbs, daffodils will come back year after year after year. Tulips aren't as dependable. They don't come back for as many years. Usually three or four if you're fortunate. And I've had them come back three or four years, but that's just about it. And the deer seem to love the tulips, but they leave the daffodils alone, which is a good thing. So your daffodils, you can have a much better success with a good display. Indicarl is still looking, trying to figure out which one. She is. She's looking for it. One way we can do it is just by bulb food. That's true. But bone meal, here we go. It is bone meal. Yeah, it is bone meal because I remember, and also you can't put the bone meal on top because bone meal will not seep into the soil. Okay. So you're putting bone meal in there. You can also put aged manure. The more you put in there, it's like everything else. The more nutrients in there, our body also, the healthier the plant is going to be. And after you dig the area that you're going to put the bulb in, whether it be just one hole or an area where you're going to put several, sprinkle the bone meal in the bottom and mix it in some before you put the bulb down. Only in the bottom. Remember that. Only in the bottom. Because it's the roots that need it. Yes, yes, yes. And if you're putting it above that, it's not going to be any big deal. What it says here, and this is going from AI again, is aged manure add essential nutrients and beneficial microorganisms to the soil. Bone meal, which I've already shared, supplies phosphorus, which is crucial for root development. Fish emulsion, a quick-release fertilizer, can offer nitrogen and trace minerals. So that's something that you're going to do a couple weeks later. Do not do it at the same time because it's got to, first of all, absorb all those good soils and such. It says wood ash increase the pH and add potassium and beneficial for flowering plants. So a lot of us have wood stoves. Do you have a wood stove? No. Okay. I wish I did. I have a wood stove, and I know that you can have too much phosphorus, too much potassium. But I did not know that about putting that around the daffodils, which now is what I'm going to do. Good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, we learn as we go along, too. And, you know, there's so much to keep in this single cell. Yeah. As you get older, the hard drive gets full. It still takes a little longer to get to things. So let me also share with you, we're talking about planting some seeds, and we talked about potatoes and garlic that you're going to plant. You're going to do the same thing with that. You're going to do the bone meal down at the bottom. So make sure that you do with your onions, with your garlic. Potatoes, yeah, that I don't know so much. If anybody has an answer to that, give us a call at 530-477-5626. 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And when I trained, we had four counties train together. We had to go to Placerville for our training. Oh, why don't they do that anymore? You know, I take it back. Kevin did an absolutely, which he does with everything, a phenomenal job of doing a composition. Oh, yeah. He did it in Auburn, I want to say a year ago. In fact, I'm going to write that down, see if we can't get him to do it again. Anytime Kevin has anything going on, he's just... Oh, he's marvelous, yeah. And we were blessed to have him for like 20 years as our lead. And I was cheated. Yeah, you got in at the wrong end of it. I did. No, I was blessed. I was in the group that had him. I had him come and trim my trees, too. Yeah, that's something that I think I'm going to have him come to my house and do a little appraisal of some of the things that I've got. Yeah, I had him come one year, and he's very busy, and he couldn't get it all done. And so then I had to finish it up. And, you know, he told me I did an outstanding job. So when you have the chief tell you... Oh, wasn't that nice? Oh, let me tell you. Yeah, and he wouldn't tell you if it was wrong. No. I mean, he wouldn't tell you if it was wrong. Yeah, that's the wonderful thing about him. He will correct you. Yeah, but nicely. Oh, walks on by. Very nicely. Walking on water, we know it's Kevin. We were talking about perennials earlier, something that people may think about, too. We talked about donating some perennials to us if they're the type that are donatable, et cetera. Yes. This is the time to divide perennials. Daylilies and shastardaisies. Yes, asters, irises, rudbeckia, yarrow. I don't have to divide my yarrow, folks. It just feeds itself. I bought a package of yellow yarrow that was like two years old at the Kmart in Auburn before it closed, if you can believe this, and didn't expect much from it, and now I can't get rid of it. I mean, now it moved from, I had some in a pot in a trailer while we were building our house. Now it's all various places in the yard. I don't mind it, but it just won't go away. I'd like it to be where I want it, not where it wants to be. The hair's going to come on your back. I just planted some on yarrow. Oh, did you? I'm not sure what color it is. Someone took it someplace else. And you know us Master Gardeners, so I'm giving away a plant. Sure! Why not? That's right. Yeah, yeah. So I just finished planting it, and then you know we were also talking about, we were talking about nitrogen and such, and one of the things that I really like, and you can do very easily, you can buy a bale of alfalfa. And let me tell you how wonderful those bales are as far as, they're full of a nitrogen kick, and it's totally, totally, totally nice and natural for your trees. This time of year that would be great too, because it would help hold the soil, and keep things moist, and yeah that's not a bad idea. And you have to keep doing it, even whatever you mulch with. Do note, you know we get all these chips that are from the guys that are cutting the trees here and there. Get some chips, put the chips underneath your trees, and you'll find that with time they become compost. Yes. They become compost. They definitely do. But it's very important. I have a friend of mine that lives in South County, and she was wondering what was wrong with her plants, and so I went there to go visit, and she didn't have one bit of anything underneath her trees. Oh. And you know, South County you guys, it's cooking, it's cooking, and I don't think she watered enough, but you have to mulch, mulch, mulch, mulch. Yes. And these people that rake up their oak leaves. Isn't it sad? Oh my gosh. Put them in your compost. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. In fact, if you just rake them into piles, they will become compost. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's wonderful. So stop raking. I've mentioned this before, and I'm going to mention it again, because I had a friend destroy, excuse me, kill an absolutely phenomenal, phenomenal Madrone tree. Oh no. Madrone trees eat from their leaves that are left on the ground. Interesting. There's the only way they have to get nutrients. She went out there, I swear to God, she took a vacuum cleaner. Oh no. Everything. She, you know, she just wanted to see the dirt, everything. She wanted to see the dirt. And it took a very short time, took her two years, and she killed the tree. She went on to try to kill the other tree. I again, reiterated the fact. Don't do it. Yeah. Now she killed the other tree. But do know that Madrones have to have those, that nutrient. That's how you, all plants have to have nutrients, all of them. And there are some plants that you don't want to leave the leaves underneath, like camellias, because it will put rot, it'll give you black leaf. You know something? I'm glad you brought this up. My husband cleaned up all underneath my camellia bushes, because they were left under there. And I went, oh no. So I put it all back. My camellias love it. They really. I got to look that up. Yeah, because they can get all kinds of diseases. Oh, mine are as healthy as can be. Well, that's good. Now we'll both go home and look it up. I know. I'm going to write camellia down. Yes. Yeah. I'm glad you mentioned that. But yeah, I was kind of, I was upset with him. I thought, what? I mean, he never does any yard work, and all of a sudden he's raking in a camellia bush, because you know what he's trying to do? He's trying to get the acorns. And then I think it was two years. Oh, yeah. So he doesn't have to pull the 18-inch root out of the. Oh my graciousness. That's one reason that oak trees are, that there are so many of them. They're so prolific. Exactly. Because they really, I've had them grow on the edge of a pot. I mean, it's just, it's amazing. I know. But you know, it's kind of interesting, you know, down at Penn Valley, when you get from Spenceville on to Lake Wildwood, they tried to plant oak trees there, and it didn't work. How interesting. And I don't. I wonder if it was because of the kind of oak tree, because we have several different types here. But they, I mean, there was really exerted effort. I don't know if all of you remember that, but yeah, it was, I thought it was a little bit devastating, because I saw, I bet you there was a hundred plants there. And I don't see one coming up. Not one coming up. Isn't that interesting? So I don't know what that's about. So let us know. We haven't heard from anyone this morning. We'd love to hear from you. 530-477-5626. And you can text us too, if you don't want to talk to us. Our text line is 530-913-4685. We would love to hear from you. Yes, we would, as a matter of fact. So have you bought your bulbs already? Are you ready to? No, I haven't bought them, but I'm going to. Usually I get it done in September, so I've got to get my tush and gear. Yeah, they're in September. Because sometimes they're gone, and they're picked over. So you don't get the cream of the crop unless you get there as soon as they get them in. The one nice thing that I find, the tulips I find the deer eat, but I don't find they eat the daffodils. Have you found that? They don't. They will not eat daffodils, and gophers won't bother daffodil bulbs. So yeah, we should have mentioned that earlier. I'm glad you brought it up, because they love the tulips, but they don't like the daffodils. And I don't know if you've ever done this or not, but if you pick a nice, large bouquet of daffodils and bring them in the house, the aroma is amazing. Just amazing. It smells so good. You know, flowers always put a smile on your face. Even in the days that different things happen in our lives, and you go outside and you're taking care of the roses, you bring them inside, it's just uplifting. That's why this is a very important time to start planting your perennials. And I believe it's January is when roses start to get planted. Yes, that's when the bare roots season starts in January, and that's a good time again to get things right away and don't get the ones where they've been waxed, because so often that just screws up the plant from the beginning. I had that happen once. I thought, why would they do that? I went to one of the stores here that cares a lot of plants, and they're discount plants, and there was wax on mine. I thought, why would you do that? But they were so tenacious that they actually butted through the wax. So they won't. That's good. But I don't think they do that anymore. I don't know if they do or not. I've seen them in recent years. I'm not going to say last year, because I wasn't really looking. I haven't looked for any since the deer ate all mine, and I had two of the most wonderful climbing roses. I don't know if you're familiar with Fourth of July and Joseph's Coat. If anybody's looking for a climbing vine rose, those are the two to have. Fourth of July just blooms and blooms and blooms. So does Joseph's Coat. And Joseph's Coat... And what's the other one you named? Fourth of July. Joseph's Coat. Joseph's Coat. Yes. And Joseph's Coat has that name because it changes colors as it progresses. I mean, it starts in the bud form. It's red, and then it's kind of a rose color, and slowly but surely it goes to yellow. And so it's an amazing rose, and the deer just devastated. Right now, I heard that both of those are grown on their own rootstock. Oh, really? So I'm doing a test right now, so I'm not going to say that that's a fact, because right now I am letting the rootstock grow, and I'm just going to see whether or not it does bloom. So they haven't finished those off yet? No. So you still have the Fourth of July and the Joseph's Coat? Yes. Oh, I need to come by and make a cutting. Yeah. They're really... They're both wonderful, wonderful roses. Oh, I'm so glad to hear that. I always love to hear about... I love the climbing roses. Yes. Especially if they have a lot of petals. Do both of them have... Ah, we've got another break coming. No, we're at the top of the hour, so people are going to get to hear the news and a few other such things. I'm going to get a break from us. Yes, and we'd like you to give us a call and think about what you want to talk about, what you want to do for workshops for the coming year, and what you might have in the way of perennials. So give us a call. 530-477-5626. Thank you. 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Once okayed, your event will be added to the community calendar on KNCO.com and added to many of the local area Chamber of Commerce websites as well. It's free and available to you from KNCO News Talk 830. Welcome back. I've got some items to mention so that you have that good information from Master Gardeners. One is we talked earlier about the hotline. The hotline is there for you 24-7. You can leave a message, and that phone number is 530-273-0919. I repeat, 530-273-0919. Oh, sorry. That's my phone calling. Life goes on, guys. The office. The office is open, again, from 9 to noon on Tuesdays only, as I had shared with you that I know. I'm trying to confirm that with one of our members. The address is 255 South Auburn. That's the restaurant's building there. Okay, I'm getting distracted. Sorry. Our workshop, we talked about that already. We have lots of workshops, and no one's made any suggestions today as far as any workshops. Somebody must have some. Oh, somebody must be dying to have something talked about that they are. I know years ago, I did a workshop just specifically on lilacs, and it was very well received. Another year, we did a workshop on blueberries. We tried to do blueberries, strawberries, and raspberries, or blackberries all in one. At that time, we were able to use the conference room at NID. We can't use that any longer because they've turned it into office space, but when we could do that, we got to 85 people in a room that probably fire department wanted only 60 in. We had to start turning people away, and all the master gardeners who had come to hear the presentation had to leave because there was no more room. To me, that's an outstanding thing to do, and because of that, we do it maybe on two Saturdays. Yes, we'd have to do it on two Saturdays, and berries is a wonderful workshop topic. I'm just hoping they have that on next year's schedule. I don't know. If somebody wants to call in or call the office and leave that message, they can do that too. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to contact them and let them know that that's something I had no idea, and I would be one also that has. I have raspberry plants, and my raspberry plants, I do phenomenal with them. Oh, do you? I love raspberries. I'd love to share, and I love it when people share their experiences. Yes. The more experience we can share, the better. These workshops are a great avenue for sharing information too because we talk and we tell you information, but we love to have the input from attendees telling us what their experience has been with their plants. You are so right. I had someone at the last workshop that I went to say to me, he said, well, I'm thinking about becoming a master gardener. I have to tell you that I think if you really want to learn an awful lot, go to the workshops every Saturday. Consider it a class and go to the workshop every Saturday because I have learned, maybe I'm not supposed to say this, but I have learned more at the workshops than I ever learned through my training at Master Gardeners. The training is so intense. I think that's it. You can only get what you skim off the top because there's so much given to you. You can't absorb it all. If people could see the book, they're huge. There's no way on earth. I don't care how great the brain is, it's not going to absorb everything. I have found from my own standpoint, I became a master gardener in 2020. It's a continuing learning process. It goes on and on and on. Yes, it is. I've been kind of in the background because during COVID, Master Gardeners, the University State of California kind of closed us down pretty much. We didn't have as many activities. I became involved at that time with working as a volunteer at hospice. Because of the difference, being able to volunteer and not being able to volunteer, I got much more involved with hospice. It's taken me a while to come back and start getting more active in Master Gardeners again. Moral of the story is, it takes a little time to catch up because I have forgotten things and I'm doing my best to start remembering again. I should go through the next training if I could. As Master Gardeners, we're always learning. It's part of life. We're always learning. It's continual. Yes. Over here, we do have the demonstration garden and that address is 1036 West Main Street in Grass Valley. It's behind the NID office across from Lyman Gilmore School. It's kind of tucked away back there. Yes, it is. And there are certain hours too, remember that you can't go there after 5 o'clock. And on weekends, get out of there by 3. Oh, really? 2 or 3, yes, because we've had a couple of people locked in before. Gosh. Yeah, and it's rough. One person had to climb the fence, the other person had to call, because she couldn't climb the fence, and had somebody come, I don't know how they worked that one out. I don't mean to laugh, but... It's funny now, it wasn't funny at the time, I'm sure. And, of course, we have, I'm going through things I mentioned, is our live call-in radio program, every Saturday from 10 o'clock until noon. We are here for you, we are here to answer your questions. We're just waiting for you to call. Yeah, we'd rather you brought up subjects than having to bring them up ourselves. Yes, yes. Or a combination is the best. I totally agree, totally agree. Then we also have, which is very, very important, and make a note of this, please, the Speakers Bureau. The Speakers Bureau, the phone number is 530-273-0919. And leave a message. And what will happen is we will go to your garden club, we will go to your rotary, Sir Optimist, whatever meeting that you have that you want to talk about plants and stuff, we will have a professional speaker, because a lot of these we just keep yakking, as you can hear from us now. We have those speakers, and they can share all their information that they have, or you can request a certain amount of information, such as, let's say, berries or whatever it may be. Or composting. Exactly. And normally, with a lot of them, there are handouts, so you don't have to take a ton of notes. Right, right, right, right. So remember, that's called the Speakers Bureau. And, again, that number is 530-273-0919. And that also, that you know, is the same number as the hotline. So if you forget that Speakers Bureau, you can also leave that message there, and we will get back with you. We have also the Daffodil Project, which we talked about already. Master gardeners plant daffodils along roadways and other areas in Nevada County. We've done this for years. We said earlier, it's on the freeway and such. And if you have some daffodils to donate, please do that at the 255 South Auburn Street by the Veterans Building. We also have a fabulous book. It's called The Garden Guide, written by Nevada County Master Gardeners specifically for this area, available at local nurseries, bookstores, and at our office, of course. And something I'd like to say about The Garden Guide, too. The Garden Guide and our plant sale are two ways of supporting Master Gardeners. We get no money from the university at all. Yeah. And so we're self-supporting. Yes. And so as far as we're concerned, The Garden Guide, as she said, has been written, composed and written and put together by Master Gardeners. So it's specifically for this area. And it's our experience, a lot of it is our experience and things proven by the University of California, mainly at Davis. And so we feel if you have The Sunset Garden Guide and The Garden Guide that Master Gardeners produces, you really don't need a whole bunch of else unless you want other books on specifics. It's specifically for our area. Yes, it is. Absolutely. Yes. We also have The Curious Gardener, which is a free quarterly publication done in conjunction with Placer County, kind of working together because our areas are very similar. Subscribe on. And this is I'm going to give to you right now. It's write your pencil, get a pencil and piece of paper. NCMG.UCANR.ORG slash Curious Gardener. I'm going to repeat that. NCMG.UCANR.ORG slash Curious Gardener. And it can be sent to your email address. And I get it monthly. And it is phenomenal. Yes, it is. Absolutely phenomenal. And it's not monthly, it's quarterly. You're right. It's quarterly. Thank you. Yeah, and it's done for each season. And it really is wonderful. You can get it on your computer so you don't have to have a paper copy of it. You can print one at home if you want to. I find personally the things that I want to read since I am by myself a great deal of the time, I like to read when I'm eating dinner. Besides watching television. I disconnected my TV about five years ago. Whoa, okay. Yeah, I have plenty to do without the TV. Of course you do. And I don't feel like I'm missing anything because other people, I mean, I have YouTube on my computer. And I like to learn about things, so I do that. But I don't have any television now in my home. And I'm just as glad I have the radio. And I listen to that so I know what the news is and what's going on, the highlights of the news. You know, that's actually an excellent idea for people who have kids. Yeah. You know, the kids, our kids are, it's another subject in itself, but our kids are having a lot of trouble. Too much technology. Way too much technology. Yeah. And they're paying the price and we need to save our kids. And we've got another break coming. 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Join us each Sunday for 30 minutes of inspiration, motivation, and education, all without manipulation. That's The Flaunt Line with Rick Hughes, every Sunday at 8 a.m. right here on KNCO News Talk 830. Hi there and welcome back to Master Gardeners and Friends. I'm Ginny Renfrew here today with... Carla Hansen. She's distracted. She's trying to multitask and you know how well that goes for most of us. It can be a problem. Something else that needs attention this month too is your camellias. Camellias at this time of year need to be sure to have plenty of water because they're forming their bulbs. Or their bulbs. Their buds. I have bulbs on the brain. Forming their buds. As long as they're well watered, they'll do well. The flowers will be a lot larger and healthier if they've had good watering during this period of time. Because it's kind of iffy right now, water-wise. Yeah, I water like crazy. I think you water with your well and I water with NID irrigation water. Birch trees are another thing that needs lots of water. Yes. And your maple trees, of course, need lots of water. As do your apples and the rest of them. Everything is a nice good soaking in on all your trees. I turn the water on and leave it on all night long. Yeah. Something that happened in a lot of the areas where they put in track homes, they put in birch trees and they put them in lawns. The water they were getting was from the lawns. And so there were a lot of dying birch trees because all they were getting was surface water. Yes. And then the roots go all to the top too. Exactly. And my son had that happen at a home he had. Before he moved out of state, he had a home down in Rocklin and that happened to him. They had three beautiful birch trees and they just croaked because they weren't getting the water that they needed. So if you have birch trees in a lawn, just remember you've got to deep water them. Don't just depend on whatever the grass gets. Yeah. I love my birch trees. I planted kind of a little bit of a forest. I think I planted about 20 of them. And I have two different kinds. I have the regular kind and then I have another kind that's kind of a burgundy color. The burgundy is not as strong. I wouldn't suggest. I mean, I got them, planted them, but not as good as the regular ones. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know really a whole lot about camellias other than you and I have both had two different experiences. Yes. You can't leave the buds, or not the buds, but basically it's the leaves and the flowers. Yeah. You can't leave them underneath. That's not good. Well, my info, I have to admit, came from Descanso Gardens in La Cuneta, Flintridge. I was a volunteer there before I moved up here almost 30 years ago. And it was an experimental acreage, Descanso Gardens is. It was an experimental acreage for camellias, how well they would grow under oak trees. And they grow beautifully under oak trees. That's what I have, growing under an oak tree. Yeah. That's where they grow the best, is under oak trees. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be interested to go into further examination, see if they've changed any, you know, because things do change too. It'd be interesting to know. I'm going to research it. In fact, if anyone out there knows, please let us know. I tried to actually call the KNCO to see if any other calls were even going through, but yeah, that's what I was. Yeah. I'll try to get it on our break. Yeah. But we'd love to hear from you. It's not just a one-way meeting. Go just sit here and be quiet and see what happens. We'll get you. Yeah. You know, another thing that people should think about right now, too, is chrysanthemums. Because this is, you know, to have them for fall and things, they're probably starting to appear in the various nurseries. They're not my favorite. I like them because of their color. The smell is kind of eh. Yeah. It's not pretty, but they provide a nice color this time of year. Some of the colors are gorgeous. I agree. Yeah. But a lot of them are very fall colorish. Yeah. The oranges and the yellows and such. Not my... Fall is my favorite season. Is it? Yes. Favorite season of the year. Yeah. I try to figure out when is my favorite, and I do not know. Summer is my least favorite. Is it? Uh-huh. Because it gets too hot? Yeah. And you have to be so much more careful about plants and the car air conditioning and the puppy dogs. And, you know, there's so many things you have to watch over that you don't need to. And fall, I like the idea. I don't know. There's just something neat about looking out my kitchen window and watching the leaves blow sideways, even though I know it's dangerous. I enjoy, I guess, all of it. My birch trees turn yellow. Oh, do they? And I have a ginkgo that turns bright brown. Oh, how big a ginkgo is it? It's a pretty big ginkgo. Is it? Did you plant it? Yes. Oh, that's neat. That's one of my favorite trees. Is it? I had a client, because I was in real estate. I had a client that gave me a bunch of ginkgo seeds. And I don't know if you know this, but there's male and female. Oh, yes. And the females produce the pods and the males don't. Yes. And the females stink. Yes. They do. Those pods are terrible. Yes. And so I have a male. And I just lucked out. I think all trees, they have a male and female. And some, they aren't as noticeable. Like, oh, what is it? Another colorful tree. God, why can't I think of it right now? But they're very prevalent. I want to say Boston something, but I'm not sure that that's it. But it's another one that the females produce the pods. They're little prickly pods. You probably know what I mean. Oh, I know which one you're talking about. Yeah. Yes. I know exactly what you're talking about. I can't think of the name of it either. It's just harder to get the information. There's so much up there. Yeah, not crepe myrtle. No. Crepe myrtle is a lot of them in bloom right now. Yeah, that's another thing too. You know, you don't cut crepe myrtles. So many people prune their crepe myrtles. And I say why would you need to for the most part? You don't need to but not so much. It happens here too. If you look at a lot of times you see crepe myrtles and you can see them cut. I know that I visit my daughter in Texas and in Texas the crepe myrtles, they're all butchered. Oh, that's awful. Oh, it is. It is totally. You know, you need to think when you're planting trees. You need to think how it's going to grow because the worst thing you can do is top them. And I'm not speaking about fruit trees because fruit trees you have to unfortunately top them. But ornamental trees. Yeah, I'm talking ornamental trees. You just it's just wrong. You can't do the same thing as I know that I live off of Banner Mountain Trail and there's an organization there that top their pine trees. Oh, no. Oh my goodness. Let me tell you what that looks like. Oh, I can only imagine. They probably split and divided and went into two. No, they just did it a couple years ago and I drive by it all the time and I just I'm just I'm amazed that anyone first of all would even do that. Yeah, would even think to do that. That's crazy. So I don't know what's going to happen to these trees. It'll be interesting to see. Yeah, yeah, and you know, they some of them end up growing along the side and go up and then they call them Widowmakers and oh, yeah because they're split off. Yep. Yeah So they sure will when you're when you're looking for trees and such research it Research how they do because I know I have an oak tree this in my backyard and it's not doing well And sometimes oak trees are not doing well, and I need to have another tree. That's a fast grower That's in there and I understand the Empress Empress, I think there's an Empress tree that produces a beautiful flower. That's what I'm looking at My daughter says, you know plant it now, but you know, yeah, this oak tree is still gonna outlive me Yeah, most of them will outlive us. I know I know and a lot of them Interesting to have rot in them and yes, they'll survive. Yeah, I did my one of my neighbors had one just split in half Yes, the rot that was inside of it and I have one huge but it's gonna fall the other direction Yeah, it's not gonna fall on the house. Thank goodness for that. 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Yes, please give us a call phone numbers 5 3 0 4 7 7 5 6 2 6 and we even checked it to make sure it was working Yeah We're told it doesn't work sometimes. Yeah, we've heard that from from people who have tried to call any sources They've called in and they haven't Who knows yeah good to tell this that's um, oh And another thing that you need to do when fall is coming and it's just starting now is keep things cleaned up You know, don't let it get too messy And what do you pick up for like the fall and branches and and clean up your pots other debris You know, that's actually you bring up pots and that's a good that's a good topic you're bringing up when I have I actually got rid of two plant houseplants in there because I have too many houseplants and I mean you need to clean the pots and in order to do that. You need to dip them in 10% bleach In other words one part bleach to 10 parts water, thank you. Thank you Yes, because and put them in there and let them dry put them in there and let them dry that kills all the bad organisms I know I had I have not been great in watering my houseplants lately Oh, I yeah, I slip every once in a while. I try to remember every Sunday Oh, there you go. You come home from church and you're watering then I a couple times. I haven't been to church Yeah, yeah, I I and what happens then is with all plants is you get a something I got mealybugs Oh, really? Yes, because when you take care of your plants, they don't get diseases Yeah, that's true. I have a friend of mine who also had she had two nectarine trees Planted in little pots. Let me tell you you can't do that to nectarine trees Let me tell you you can't do that to nectarine trees and she was wondering why she had spider mice and she had this and then She had why would you have a nectarine tree in a pot? Well, she lives in lake wildwood and she wanted to experience it, you know Because how interesting you have to move them in and out probably weather-wise She has a kind of an open area out there. I don't know and maybe that's again why it's not happy She needs to she needs to move it. She needs to give the plants away. Yeah, you know, um, it's a good question You're very and but you know, she's a good friend and i'm gonna say well, why did you do that? but um Not quite that way. It's for sure. Yeah, because the very first time I was there and I saw it I went why? Why would you do that? You know, but you know, I can understand she loves plants and she just wants to um, Experience them and it's fun to experiment too. It really is Try different things. I have I got a meyer. Um lemon Tree from a lady that passed away and it's in a pot And it's now uh, i'm making a guesstimate. Maybe it's 10 years old. Wow And so what she did is she lived in grass valley. Well, I live in nevada city. Yeah, you're a little higher Yeah, her elevation I think was 24 minus 3000 and so um when I got the tree There's no leaves on it and it was dying. Oh my goodness Yeah, so I literally saved it but i'm thinking well I saved it but for what you know for living in nevada city Yeah, so keep it indoors. Well, it's right now. Of course, it's outdoors and it's doing beautifully But um now I when the winter comes and it gets in the snow comes I have to bring it indoors Yes, you do But for sure the tree right now is um, almost eight feet. Wow And what size pot is it in? You know, it's in a pot that is pretty big It's a pretty big pot, but you know the pot goes like this Which is wrong. It doesn't go straight down. It goes up, you know, kind of how interesting down a okay and so, um I had in the past i've had two meyer lemons, which i've talked about before that. Um, I had long story, but anyway Suffice to say that I had to plant them in the ground i'd had enough playing with Taking care of them covering them in the snow and everything else So I planted them in the ground and they have done beautifully. Oh good Beautifully, so I think what i'm going to do is I think i'm going to plant the meyer lemon next to the blood oranges Oh, yeah in the summertime because it it this can't continue like this. Well, I have a Son who lives in alta sierra? And he has a meyer lemon outside and it produces great And he's never had any problems with it. What happens when he gets snow? It gets snowed on Well something you can always do if you put them outside, too um If you can get some of those nine number nine christmas lights String christmas lights on it. You can't get them anymore. I have I have 12 strings of them that I got at a yard sale So if you'd like to do that this winter i'd be more than happy to share Oh, maybe I will do that with you. Yeah, because then you could leave it outside and just keep turn that on And I would love to borrow them, okay We will plan on doing it then my mom used to have a bunch of those and my ex-husband when we Went our separate ways. He took them all because um, he had a house that could use them, which was great Yeah, but you can't find them. Oh the heat they put out heat and well, they don't want them putting out the heat I think that's they all the ones you get now are led. Yes, and they there's no heat exactly. Yeah Yeah, I guess they they probably caused a fire somewhere sometime But as I said earlier, um the time for me to plant that would actually be now Yeah for the roots to take hold and such. Yep. I'll have to have to think about that yeah, and and when you get the area for it prepared wait about a week before you put the plant in get it all prepared and the food in it and mix it up and everything and then take about it wait about a week before you put the plant in because you want the the Fertilizers and stuff to assimilate into the soil. You don't want them just to go bang into the Same thing's good if you can do that with bulbs Interesting, okay did not know that see we're learning. Yeah. Yeah, we keep learning It's wonderful. I I love learning, you know, it's it's funny because I I wish there was a way that People our ages could go back to school from the beginning and go through the whole Nine yards Just it you know At least touch on it. I don't have the time either. I don't have the time. That's for sure Not not you have acreage. I have acreage. Yeah, and and neither one of us wants to leave it I won't leave mine when they take when I go out in the plastic bag. They're gonna yep I say the same thing. I don't think my husband cares for it, but I say the same thing. I'm staying well one one thing that I was so happy when um The one thing I was happy about when I lost my husband was we were able to have him pass away at home Because he wanted that more than anything else and because we knew he was going it was prostate cancer and The fact that he could actually be in his own bed in his own home and Go to sleep there and not wake up was that's the wonderful thing about hospice, which of course you volunteer for yes You know, um, my mom, um also passed away at home and um, it's because of hospice. I think it's important yeah, so it's um, it's a Fabulous fabulous organization. Yes, it is. Well and ours is the only non non, um You don't have to pay for anything non-profit It's the only one in the area Okay, I didn't I did not know that. Um, I know that they they um, they were I can't even express what how fabulous they were with my mom. It's a wonderful organization Oh, that's why I got so entrenched in it because it was the people are nice that yeah, and you're appreciated Yeah, and that makes a lot of difference. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, you know, um as you retire and such you volunteer more and so many times you volunteer but you know Not too often do you get a thank you. Yeah. You know, I know that I volunteer in a lot of organizations and I don't get a thank you, but one of them, of course, is I volunteer for Sammy's, and they do. They're very, very good about it. Good. Thanking you, but yeah. You do it in this gift shop. You've worked in the gift shop at Sammy's. Is that? I've worked at the gift shop, and I've also worked at the shelter. And that must be difficult. I want to bring them all home. Yeah. Well, actually, my husband, he doesn't know yet, and he doesn't listen to the radio show, so it's great. But I actually was going to start working in the office, and my husband told me initially that I could not do that because of that, which you just said. Yeah. Bring them all home. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would be my problem. I'd want to bring every one of them home. Yeah. Especially the dogs. Yes. That's my favorite. I don't have specially. I take them all, animals. I'm just a sucker. Well, my only problem with cats in my area is that I'm not about to clean a cat box. I'm beyond that in my life, and I don't want to have an outdoor cat because I think it'll have lunch box written on the side of it. I mean, I've seen coyotes in my yard capturing ground squirrels, God bless them, and things of that nature, and I don't want them capturing a cat. I'd be devastated. I have cat, and I have a cat that is an indoor-outdoor cat, just like what you're talking about. Yeah. And I do not like it when it goes out at night. Oh, I wouldn't like that at all. Yeah. But she's camouflage and kind of tuttled, or I call it brown and black and kind of mixed colors. So she's kind of disguised a little bit, but she learned to go to the bathroom outside from the cat I had before. Oh, interesting. And the craziest thing in the world is they would go to the bathroom on the front, on the grass, and I'm talking number two. How crazy. Yeah, so go potty and go dookie on the grass. I've never seen a cat. So I have a kitty litter, but I think I clean it once every month. I have a great use for kitty litter. Put it in with your rat for your chicken? No, pick up oil. If oil gets spilled in your garage or something, put it down and it absorbs it beautifully. But not all kitty litter is like that. No, I'm sure it's not. Yeah, they have some fancy-spancy stuff. What do you think about it? Now, we're not exactly on the subject of gardening, but what do you think about these things that roll? My daughter has one. Does she like it? She paid $1,500 for it. My goodness. 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Good morning, I'm Paul Haas with a KNCO local news update. Once online, go to KNCO at the top of the page and keep listening to KNCO News Talk 830. Has your business made adjustments to our new circumstances? Have you told everyone in western Nevada county about the changes you've made? Sure, Facebook has a good reach, but you're only reaching those that already knew about you. Call KNCO at 272-3424 and put us to work reaching the people in western Nevada county. That's people that already know about your business and people that have never heard of you until now. Together with your business, KNCO, growing strong. Welcome back to KNCO Talk Radio. You are talking to, well you're not talking because no one's calling us. We're talking to each other. My name is Carla Hansen and I am here today with Master Gardener Jenny Renfrew. Yeah, and we're looking forward to your phone call 530-477-5626. Well, we've got our last 15 minutes left over of talking to each other. Yes, for now. For now, right now. Just for now. Yeah, so what's going, what are you, are you going to ready to plant a winter garden right now? I'm probably not when it's just me eating. No, it's just, and with 10 and a half acres and a big house, I have enough to do without monitoring a garden at the same time. And if I have spare moments, I like to spend it with my dog or a hobby if I can. There's several things. It's funny how when you are, it's just one alone, your love of cooking isn't quite the same as it used to be. I used to adore cooking. Yeah, it's, even if you get down to two people, it's not the same. I loved it when I had a family to cook for. And with two people, even with two of us, I loved it. And because it was fun to plan fun meals, things that he would like. I knew what he liked, what he didn't like. And it was always nice to try and please him. Yeah, no, I understand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, I don't know. Life has its challenges, does it not? Yes, life does have its challenges. Very, very definitely, it does. Well, folks, another thing to think about, too, is planting trees this time of year, too. You should let them get some roots before the, you know, whether once they shed their leaves and things is a good time to think about. And picking good trees with fall colors. Pretty soon it'll be time to do that because you can go to the nurseries. You can see them actually losing their leaves and the colors that they will become. Yes. Totally agree with you. And that's very, very important. I'd love to have one that's red. I have orange and I have yellow, but I'd love to have one that's red. And I'm not going to do it now. We've lived on this property since the 1990s. So, you know, it's been a long time and planted a lot of beautiful trees. But, you know, I think I'm done. Well, I'll take it back. What I did is I took, we had the seed swap, which is going to come up again. It's at the Grange. And we have it twice a year. I don't remember exactly the dates. I know that I'm in charge of it for Master Gardeners, so I'm told to leave. You just found out. Well, no, that's a long story in itself. I asked to take it over and I really haven't heard. So, but I kind of quasi plan on it. And so we're going to have that, I believe it is in October. And as I say that, I'm wondering I'm up here because I am going to Texas. So, I don't know. You better find out when it is. I know, I know. I've got to find out. So, through that, they had a grafting class and I went through a grafting class and I grafted an apple tree. Oh, interesting. Yes. Have you ever done that? No. Yeah. You know, I've done it on the apple tree and I've done it also on other trees also. And which is absolutely amazing is when I took this class, and most likely they're going to have it again, they brought you all these other cuttings of all these other trees. All these other trees. And so what you do with those is you put them for some moisture and you put them in the refrigerator. And okay, this, I did this. The last one was, oh, I want to say February. Yes. And so it was February when I had it and I put it in the refrigerator. Do you know I still have those and they're still viable? Oh, that's amazing. That's great. So, what they're ready to do is they're ready to go on to another tree. And there are certain things that you have to graft too. Of course, apple trees go to apple trees, you know. Yes. You have to have the same. Yeah. Same genus. Yes. And so, you know, there's peaches that go to peaches. And so I, now I talked to you, now I remember that I still have those. And I ended up, I had an Asian pear, which I did not like. And all of a sudden it got a really bad case of fire blight. Oh boy, that's horrible stuff. Fire blight was really, really bad. And so I ended up, I just wanted to take the tree out. So I took the tree, cut almost all of it off. And, or I shouldn't say I did my, I did with my husband's help. And now didn't take the whole tree down, just left all the, I mean, you think it would have killed it. Yeah. Now it's starting to grow again. Oh my goodness. Yeah. So I'm thinking about just maybe go ahead and just graft some things on there that I have because some of them are still. Why not? Yeah. I can't hurt anything. No, in experimental, it's always a good thing to do. But what I ended up doing is I ended up, because I was learning, I ended up grafting a tree, which trust me, I have enough fruit trees. I don't need another tree. I don't need another apple tree, but I'm of Dutch heritage. And so what I wanted to do is I wanted to have something that was Dutch. And so I have a, I have a Dutch pear tree in my front yard. They're small little pears that are absolutely, they're called suckles. Oh my gosh. They are to die for, but they are tiny. They are just tiny. And so now I have an apple tree too, but you know, like with all trees research, because the apple tree I did, I did not research it. And apparently it's prone to a lot of diseases. Oh, I didn't know that. And maybe you get it in the States and you don't get it in Holland. I don't know. But anyway, I have this tree and now this tree used to be, you know, I don't know, it was three feet. Well, now the sucker is like four feet tall, you know, three feet. I mean, excuse me, 30 inches, not three feet. And now it's huge. So, you know, now I have to plant it. Now I'm deciding where the hell do I plant it? Because, you know, I deal with bear and it's in the backyard and I have a certain plot of land. And I don't know if anybody else has this. I have like a track where nothing really grows. I have a spot. You too. That's the same way that nothing will grow there. Okay. Just Jeff. I don't know what that means. Okay. I think. Hello, Jeff. How are you? I'm having a little trouble with the phone there. Okay. Okay. We have a call. Yay. I have a couple of things. Do Madrone trees have a male and a female tree? That's one question. It looks like it's kind of dying, but it has a lot of little berries on there. I wonder if I should try to collect those. And the next question would be redbud. I've got a redbud tree and it's just loaded with the little seed pods. I wonder if it'd be worth my trouble to get up there on an orchard ladder and try to fill up a bag or something with them. Well, growing from seed, growing a tree from seed is going to be a long, long term adventure. Again, it depends on whether or not you want to do the adventure. I think that you have a whole bunch of little, you know, two gallon pots and just put them all in a giant group. Yes. And just kind of see what happens. Yeah. And And then select the one that's doing the best, or the few that are doing the best. You could certainly do that, and I think there is a male-female of Madrone, I think there are also... I think there's a male-female of most trees. You know, it's kind of interesting, I'm sitting here looking this up, and it's bisexual. Oh, so it handles it all by itself? Yes, yes. A Madrone is? Yes, the Madrone is bisexual. It's kind of dying out a little bit, and it's like it's last effort, it's just got this load of berries on there, it seems like more than usual. I would give it a try. I think what you need to do, you don't rake underneath your Madrone, do you? No, but I see that it's got like this big, tall, dead limb, kind of, but up there, man, there's all these big fruit clusters. Yeah, I think... It looks like a bunch of grapes hanging up in there, and it's not grapes, it's Madrone berries. I think your tree is definitely going through some stress, but I think, yeah, so, but if you do not rake the leaves, as, I don't know if you read, or not read, but if you listen to... Well, I have read. Yeah, that you can't rake it, you will kill them. I would just grab all the leaves you can from around there and put it more around the tree. Not around the trunk, okay? Not the trunk. Nine inches away. Along the drip line, I understand. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know the distance per se, but it just, it just can't be around the trunk, and the reason being is because of mold. The mold will go from the leaves to the Madrone. But I would say... Crawl up into the bark. Yeah, so I don't... You can dig up leaves, but you can't cover bark with dirt. It creates a lot of problems. Yeah. You can dig no dirt away from the roots, and most plants don't care, but if you push dirt onto the bark, they get problems. They do. They get upset with it, but as far as, and I'm not sure if I am, I think I answered everything on your Madrone. Watering, too. Let me tell you, a nice deep watering doesn't hurt either. You can't do it with oak trees. They don't like to have water. Yeah, oak trees don't like to have water, no ma'am, that's correct. Yeah. But I want to go to your redbud for a second, because this is, I think, a nice experiment for you. What you can do, and we're running out of time, so we may have... Yeah, what you can do with the redbud is you can collect all the seeds. Take the seeds, and this is going to sound kind of crazy, let them kind of dry out. You need to always do that a good two or three months, and then you're going to take those redbud, and you can either chip each one of those seeds that you can, or you're going to throw them in the blender lightly. Don't go crazy, and because what has to happen with the redbud is the seed has to be chipped to open. I noticed that, the seeds are like super hard like little fists. And you know what, we have your number, I'll give you a call when we're finished, but we have to end our day. Jeanne, thank you, it's been a pleasure. --- end of transcript ---