Show: Master Gardener Station: KNCO File: 10:10.mp3 Air date: 2026-10-10 Source: OpenAI whisper-1 · shrunk from 123.8 MB to 24.8 MB, split into 8 pieces --- transcript --- Good morning, everybody, and welcome to Master Gardener and Friends on KNCO. I'm Master Gardener Anne Wright, and I'm in the studio today with Master Gardener Ginny Renfrew. Oh, what a thrill for me to be back in the studio with Ginny. Ginny's been a Master Gardener since well before I was. 2000. Oh, my gosh. That's so awesome. Well, I kind of took a break from the radio for a little while because I had been on so much, and I do have other volunteer opportunities that I take advantage of, and I was spending more time there, but I decided I missed it, and it's time to come back and get my feet wet again. Yay, yay. So, it's a gorgeous day, everybody, and I hope that you're all enjoying the cool, lovely, I think it feels like fall now, finally, instead of our second summer. Yes, finally. We're ready for fall. I think most everyone is. Yeah. Yeah. So, our program is brought to you by the University of California Cooperative Extension, the United States Department of Agriculture, Nevada County Master Gardeners, and KNCO News Talk Radio, along with all their fine sponsors, and we do thank our sponsors who help and have helped us for over 20 years be on this radio for two hours every week. It is awesome. So, we're very grateful for that. The mission of the UC Master Gardeners of Nevada County is to extend research-based knowledge and information on home horticulture, pest management, and sustainable landscape practices to the residents of California. So there, our business. So do too. And it's a call-in show, and if you have a spare minute, give us a call and let us know what's happening in your garden or if you have any gardening questions. We are so fortunate here as Master Gardeners because we train together. We get to know each other. In one of our adventures at the Home and Garden Show, I talked with some people from the East Coast who were also Master Gardeners. They never even met the people from the other locations. Really? Everything was done online. Oh, dear. And I thought, no, that would be so hard because we get to do things together. We get to do workshops together. The radio program, of course, is another. We get to attend the various, the fair. We have a booth there. And there's so many times. Lots of things. We get to just get to know one another. Yeah, and interesting, our county extends all the way to Truckee, and we have a couple of Master Gardeners of Nevada County in Truckee. And so I think I'm foreseeing the time when we'll be broadening our horizons a little bit and maybe do some classes up in Truckee, which would be really cool. Wouldn't that be nice? It'd be wonderful for them, especially. Yeah. And it'd be kind of a nice outing for people down here. Oh, yeah. Well, we have had a couple already who went to a, there was a farm day up in Truckee, similar to the farm day we have here at our fairgrounds for, like, third graders. I think it was a farm day. But anyway, we had a couple of our youth team go up to Truckee for an event up there, and it was a lot of fun. Very good. A little different. A little different. Well, there's another thing I like about Truckee. They have a Dairy Queen. Oh, my God. They do? Yes. Where? Yes, they do. I'll have to keep it in mind. DQ. One of my favorite stops. Yeah. So give us a call out there. Our phone number is 530-477-5626. And we do have a text line, so if you're a little shy, you can call, you can reach out to us by text, 530-913-4685. And we'd love to hear from you, telling us what you'd like to talk about this morning, too. Sure. Not just what we have in mind and things we're thinking about. We'd love to know, we'd hate to go through the whole program and not touch on a subject that you were... That our listeners are curious about. Yeah, that they're curious about or some information they want, because this is a busy time of year for planting. Oh my goodness, it is. So, at the shoot, we could start talking about native plants or bulbs or garlic or any of those things. Bulbs are one of my very favorite plants. Are they? Okay, let's talk bulbs. Okay. I love to talk about bulbs. One of the most rewarding things, because they come back year after year after year. One year, I've mentioned this before on the radio, but one year I kind of overdid it and bought 800 bulbs. And I wound up at the end, I still had some at Thanksgiving I hadn't put in the ground yet. I had friends that were there for Thanksgiving help me and we put them in pots and then we buried the pots. And when the shoot started to show and get up, you know, four or six inches, then I took them out and put them where I wanted them to be and, you know, where I wanted the color. And it worked out very nicely. Yeah, it worked out beautifully. So, you buried the pots and for what reason? To insulate them? Well, just so I didn't have to worry about watering them because they dry out so much faster if they're above ground. So, I just wanted Mother Nature to help me out so I wouldn't have to fuss over them all the time. Do you typically wait? So, let's say you're going to plant bulbs in your yard somewhere. Do you wait until after it rains or do you just go out there and get going? I don't worry about the rain. A lot of people do, but I don't. My begin date generally is October 15th. This year, I think it would be a little later just because it has been so warm. In fact, my daffodils that are in the ground are showing. Really? They're starting to come up. Oh, put their little heads down. It's not time. Put a lice on the ground. Yeah, I haven't even checked mine. They could be, well, poking up, too. I was looking at my naked ladies, seeing how they were doing and amongst the naked ladies were daffodil sprouts coming up thither and thither. What's fun with bulbs, too, is that they come back, as I said, year after year and there's so many different kinds of Narcissus and daffodil family. I have some that are white and pink with fluffy, the petals are fluffy, they're beautiful. It's fun to experiment, see what's out there. Are those the real fragrant ones, the real, what are those? There's a common name for them. They're probably in the Narcissus. Probably paper whites. Paper whites are fragrant, but they're kind of more singular, but they're more clustered. Hyacinth. Oh, hyacinth. Hyacinth smell wonderful. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of. I don't have any, but maybe I should get some this year. I have a, years ago at one of the yard sale at the Sierra Presbyterian Church, we used to have those every year, they were wonderful. I picked up the headboard and footboard of a wrought iron bed, and then I got some four by eight, not four by eight, but eight foot long boards. I think they were two by fours, I guess they were, and I made it into an honest to God bed. Oh, cute. And it's now a full bed. The first year I was very energetic and I made it like a quilt. Now it's just a mixture. Oh my gosh. That is creative. But it was so much fun. Oh, I bet. And I love having that there because I can control it. And I didn't have to, I was worried about the deer. The deer didn't turn out to be the problem, the dog did. He wanted to get in there and dig because it was so nice and fresh and smelled of all kinds of fertilizer and everything. And that's still going. I haven't planted that yet. This year I want to really dig it up and divide those bulbs. Yeah. Well, that's the thing with bulbs. I mean, I have a whole kind of a rock garden full of lilies that are, they're little corms and they need to be thinned out, but, you know, and they're just in the shade so they don't get a whole lot of flowers on them, but it fills up the space, I guess it's better than weeds. So. And for those of you who aren't familiar, if you don't divide your perennials, your lilies and your daffodils and things like that, their bloom will slow down. When they get crowded, they don't do nearly as well. They don't have space to be a big bulb, so they don't produce a big flower. I think that's true of iris as well. It is true of iris as well. Yeah. And in Adventures, I've told this story again before, years ago, though, I did raised beds with iris in them, bearded iris. And when I went to pull it up, when I went to divide them, I had waited so long. They were like a jigsaw puzzle. Oh. They were just, and that's why they were doing very poorly. Yeah. But they did beautifully after I dug them up and divided them. And once a mother, once an iris blooms, that particular corm or that particular bulb will never ever bloom again. It sends off babies, usually for about four of them. Those babies will bloom. And the babies will bloom. The babies will bloom, but mom never will. Well, we need to take a break and we will be back. This is Master Gardener and Friends. Stay tuned. Do you have over $10,000 in credit card debt? The stress from excessive credit card debt can ruin your life. Collection calls sleepless nights. If you're feeling the financial impact with unprecedented economic challenges, DebtLoo is here for you. DebtLoo uses secret programs that most credit card companies won't tell you about. They'll help you consolidate or settle your debts for a fraction of what you owe. With DebtLoo's success guarantee, you pay nothing unless your debt is reduced or completely resolved. There's no risk. 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And you want nice plump bulbs that seem heavy for their size and not at all dehydrated. Yeah. If they're kind of dry looking and light, then you don't have any kind of material in them to grow. No. And generally speaking, the bigger the bulb, the bigger the flower. Oh. Yeah. Well, you know, I had two thoughts about bulbs. One time we were talking about bulbs. I was on with Susan, and we were talking about stacking the bulbs in a container. So if you have a good-sized pot, like a terracotta pot or something, then put enough soil in the bottom to support certain kinds of bulbs. I've never done it, so... I have. Have you? Yeah. So what do you put on the bottom that will grow tall enough, and then they bloom, and then something else comes up? How does that work? Well, you do it so that... I don't know how you would explain it, but you plant the bigger bulbs at the bottom. Oh, okay. And then you get smaller and smaller, so the top ones are more shallow, like the grape hyacinths, the little... Okay, so little tiny ones. They'd be on top. Crocus would be on top. Yeah. That sort of thing. That makes sense. And they do bloom at different times. I kind of... For the most part, I prefer my bulbs in the ground. Yeah, I do too. Just because they come back year after year, and it's almost like a big surprise when they start blooming. Yeah, I've been doing... I've been planting daffodils kind of out. We have quite a bit of acreage, and so I'll just randomly plant them out in the field somewhere and let them grow. I don't water them in the summer, so I don't know. Most of them come back, though. Yeah, most of them. I had some that came back for over 20 years. Yeah, they do all right. And I don't know... I think there are fewer now than there were at the very first, but there is... Sometimes people just throw them and then go out and plant them where they landed. Oh, cool. They're naturalizing is what I think they call that. That's kind of peculiar. Yeah it is neat because it looks more like it just happened. Right. It doesn't look like you. I have, I have anemones that come up that way. Oh that's, I love anemones. And they, they were planted before we bought the property and they come back every year in this one particular little area of our lower yard and it's, oh it, they're like, like the harbingers of spring, my little anemones. This isn't bulbs, but do you try at all to grow roses? I do have some roses. I'm a terrible rosarian, but I do have roses. I love them. In fact, I got some, well, when again, when we moved to our property, there were a bunch of roses that the previous owner had and they were under an oak tree, so they weren't getting enough sun. Yeah, they need sun. So I moved them. I transplanted them. Most of them took, but I planted them outside of my fenced deer yard. So then the deer ate them and I had to wire them all up. And so I decided then that I was no longer going to put any more on the outside of the fence. I put them on the inside. So now I have a couple of nice varieties inside the deer fence. They're looking a little, they need, they need some pruning. They need a lot of help. Well, I had two beautiful vine roses that I, two that I dearly love, Fourth of July and Joseph's Coat. And they're, they're absolutely beautiful, but I have no place that's within a fenced area. Oh yeah. For something like that. So the deer. The deer. Kept, yeah. And finally I just gave up. You gave up. Yeah. That's the thing with the deer, you know, we have a lot of deer. If you can do a climbing rose, do a Joseph's Coat. Joseph's Coat. And or a Fourth of July. Fourth of July just never stops blooming all summer long into the fall. I have a Cecil Brunner. Oh, I love those. And it's a beauty and it's doing okay. It's, it's actually in our backyard and because we have dogs and so our backyard is all fenced and we have horses. So we have hot wire around, around the perimeter as well so that the horses won't lean on the fence. Yes. They love to do that. Oh yeah. So, so the deer, although I did one doe was in there last week and, and she was just grazing on some weeds or something because I have plenty of weeds back there. Don't we all? The more acreage you have, the more weeds you have. Yes, indeedy. So I, I decided that I would put Cecil back by our woodshed and let it climb up the woodshed. So it gives a little beauty to my kind of ugly looking woodshed, but. Well, and it can, it'll aim for the sun. So it'll definitely. Oh, it's got huge vines. Yeah. Yeah. Their Cecil Brunners are good. And some people call it Cecile. Cecile. I think, yeah, I think it's actually spelled Cecile. It probably is. There's always a war going on over there. I mispronounce every plant in my yard. Oh yeah. It's just, it's my, my way. People call that one both. I never, I never heard anything but Cecil Brunner. It probably is Cecile because it probably is French or something. Well, I think it's spelled as you would. My sister's middle name is Cecile. And so I'm used to. Is there an E on the end of it? There is an E on the end of it. Oh, then it is Cecile. Yeah. But, but I've always heard Cecil too. Yeah. So that's what I grew up with. Maybe it's a different variety. If not, we should invent one. Nah, nah, nah, no. Yeah. Roses are wonderful. But again, if you have a deer, if you, the deer have access, they're going to get them and it's not worth it. Yeah. And I, you know, I have a fair amount of, you know, typical aphids and rust spots on my roses, but they just, they really do need to be, they need to be loved and mine don't get as much love as they should. When, when you get aphids, also there are really two ways that I know of to get rid of them. And if you have patience, wait for the ladybugs, they will come. They do. If you don't have patience, a hard spray of water, if you hose them off, they can't get back up on the plant. Once they're off, they're done. Well, that's good. Well, they're pretty waterlogged. Yeah. They, once they're sprayed off, that's the end of them. So we did get away from bulbs, didn't we? We did, but that's okay. That's okay. We digress. We're waiting for people to call. So if you have any questions about bulbs, give us a call. If you have some questions about roses, give us a call. If you have a question about how to keep the deer away. Give us a call. Yeah. You can give us a call, but I'm not sure we have the answer. Or anything else you want to talk about, give us a call. 530-477-5626. Or for those who prefer, you can do the 477-KNCO, but I think that kind of died along the way. Oh, yeah. Well, because people that, I don't know, do people use letters anymore? I never did. I didn't care for it. When I was a kid, we did. Yeah. We have to look at the, I don't know that our phones even have the letters with the numbers. I didn't even think about that. Some of them don't. Yeah. And I think that's, yeah. So, yeah, 477-KNCO or 530. But, what fun. Yeah. What fun. I'm looking to see if anybody's texting. I don't see anything. And our text line is 530-913-4685. You can even send us pictures on that one. That way we can really get a good, we really know what you're talking about. That helps a lot. I have to find the app for the little thingy message. There it is. Okay. Somebody wants a factory radio. That was Pat's. That won't help us any now. That won't help us. Anyway, so, oh, speaking of bulbs, let's talk, I have one kind of question that looms. In the old days, when we were doing our daffodil project and we'd plant daffodils, we would put a little soft rock phosphate in the hole and put the bulb in. Do you still do that? I, we got away from it because there was some research or something that said it really wasn't. I haven't really done that much with it. And I don't, a lot of times they say to put blood meal, bone meal, you know, or plant or bulb food, which has some of those things in it. The thing I find then is animals dig them up. Oh, yeah. Because that's something very attractive to animals. Especially blood meal. Even your dog will dig that up. Yeah, yeah. Most dogs will anyway, unless you have extremely well behaved. When you explain to them why they shouldn't do that. Right. But mine, he'd dig it up. And they listen. Oh, they do. That's what they do. Yes, that's, they're a dog. Yeah. Yeah. So good. Well, because it's fall, it's a really good time to also plant native plants. And as we speak, is the last of our native plant series workshops. Oh, it's going on right now. It's going on right now. So if you're listening to the radio, you're probably not at the workshop. But if you want to go to the workshop, there's still time. You can, it's over at the Demo Garden at 1036 West Main Street. And it's really a wrap up of all of the discussions on native plants we've had this year, which was really kind of a fun idea to change up our, you know, our workshop, because native plants are so popular. And the subject is, and it's a big subject. So we decided when we were doing our workshop planning last year, that we would kind of break it up a little bit. And so we've had talks about the Keystone plants and an overview of native plants. And then we had a hands-on cowscape class. Cowscape is a wonderful thing. Which is a fabulous tool. And then we had lawns and native grasses, which was a lot of fun. And then I think that was the last before the one today. So it's been a real, it's been a real pleasure to do that. And they've been well attended. So if anybody has any questions about native plants. Or about cowscape. Or about cowscape, give us a call too. Because that is, we haven't told you how to get to it. And we're going to make you call if you want to know how. Yeah, it's pretty easy to find. Cowscape is really a tool of the California Native Plant Society. And they've done a magnificent job putting it together. Didn't they do that in conjunction with Cal Poly? Probably. I think there was something. There probably were some other kind of contributors to it. But it's really a marvelous tool. And you can plug in your address. And it'll come up with the native plants that will grow well in your area. Or if you have a particular project that you want to put native plants in. For instance, I have an area at my house that is under an oak. And it had, what do you call those? Himalayan blackberries that were growing natively. So anyway, I'll go back to that when we get back from our break. But we've got to take a break. This is Master Gardener. That gives you time to dial 530-477-5626. To ask more about cowscape and other such things. 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This is Master Gardener and Friends on Key & Seal. I'm Master Gardener Anne Wright. And I am Master Gardener Jidi Renfrew. And we are both Master Composters. True. True that. Yeah. I'm a lazy composter. Are you? Yes. I am too. The first, when we first went through our training, I went and did all of this stuff so I'd have it in two weeks. It's not worth it to me. I don't need it that fast. We have a caller. Are you there, Bruce? Hello? Bruce, are you there? Well, we're going to wait and see if he comes along. Hello? Do we have a caller online? Nope. Maybe the phones are acting up again. Hello? Hello? There you are. Hi, Bruce? Yes. Hello there. Good. We got you. Thank you for calling. You're on the air. Thank you for calling. You're on the air. Now, this is probably a very unpopular one, but I need some seeds for what's commonly called puncture vine. Ew. Oh, I think I've talked to you before, Bruce. Where do I get them? Why would you want them? It's a great ground cover. Yeah. But, boy, are they, they have nasty punctures, puncture-y vines. They sure are. Yeah. I do not know the answer to where you'd find those seeds. I don't think you're going to find them commercially at all. I think you'd have to find someone who had it growing, wait until it's, that they are going to seed and go gather it from the vines themselves. Yeah. Or if they're in the plants. When's the best time of year to do that, then? Just about now. Yeah, this is a good time. So, if you know anybody who has puncture vine or if you see any. One of the best places to look is along driveways and roads. Yeah, and roads. Yeah. They stick to tires and then they fall out along the way and then the wind from the cars blows them to the side. Animals' paws and everything. Yeah. Well, good luck with that. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. Good luck. Thanks for checking. See it making a good ground cover, but I wouldn't want to walk on it. Yeah, that's a tough one. Well, thanks for calling, Bruce, anyway. So, yeah. That is interesting. Thank you. Have a great day. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. That's an unusual request. Yes, it is. Yeah, I mean, we get asks for different kinds of seeds, and, you know, we have a seed library, which is cool. I know we don't have puncture vine up there. No, we wouldn't want to promote that, really. We do have a seed library at Madeline Helling Library, and the community can take five packets, and now is a really good time to get packets of maybe kale, Swiss chard, wild carrots, some wildflowers. They do have wildflowers, and they have some native plant seeds as well up there at the seed library. So when the library's open, you can visit the seed library. We get a lot of calls in the spring when people see the beautiful wildflowers blooming everywhere, and, oh, you know, this is so wonderful. When can I plant them, you know? This is a good time. Where can I get them? Well, you had to have planted them last fall, because if you plant them in the spring, you aren't going to get any results at all. So you've got to remember that. If you want things of that nature, you've got to take care of it now. One thing with the wildflower seeds is to help them really do better is to try and, if you have a particular area that you want them in, is to try and get as much of the weeds curtailed as you can. In other words, water the weeds really well, maybe sheet mulch or cover the weeds to kill them off, and then plant the wildflowers and mix it with some compost or something to kind of keep the birds from eating the seed, too, because that's what I've had problems with. I'll just cast some seed out and let the birds eat it. Yeah, you always have to put out more seed than you want plants, because the birds are going to get some of them. I was real pleased lately, because we tried kind of an experiment in a certain part of my yard. The man that helps me with my... I have 10 acres, and he wanted to try something, and I was hesitant, but I thought, okay, just let him try it. Well, it didn't work, and so I had an area of dead. We had to dig it out and put new soil in it, and then we put grass seed down, because there's a portion of lawn that I have, and I know a lot of people are against lawn, but I have a dog, and my dog likes the lawns. I think things are changing a little bit. I did the lawn part of the native plant. I did lawns and native grasses, and I really took a critical look at lawns, not from a negative perspective, but more from the benefits that lawns offer. I looked at the history. It was a lot of fun. I mean, gosh, we really never had the kinds of lawns that we do until after the late 1800s, because people had to water things by hand. Yes, that's true. We didn't have sprinkler systems or automation. Yes, and I found an old ad from an old catalog or something for a garden hose. It was dated back maybe late 1800s, maybe early 1900s, and that probably changed gardening forever, having a garden hose. I like it because it keeps the house cooler. Yes. You don't have the reflection off of rocks or something else that's around the house. And I personally, I have it on both sides of my house. It's not big lawns, and I like looking out and seeing them. I do too, but the major expanses of lawns, I think just because of they do require a fair amount of water, but there was a research study that I looked at about removing the, you know, about lawns and the amount of water that they take. And it actually, if you look at the percentage, you know, it's not of the landscape water that we use in California, a high percentage is for lawns. But if you look at the percentage of landscape water, it's like maybe 15% or something. I'll have to look that article up. That sounds very interesting. It's a lower percentage than you would think. And of course, you know, with the influx of golf courses, and I mean, there was back in the day, the American Horticulture Association had rules for lawns, and they put out these rules for homeowners to have lawns. And so, of course, after the war, after World War II, when people started building houses, they had the lawns, and so the lawns were to be a certain amount of height, then they would be clearly edged and no weeds. And so it's really kind of a fun, interesting thing to read at history. Yeah, I just I did some research on it for the workshop that we did on lawns and native grasses. It was a lot of fun. So anyway, where were we going with that? I don't know. I was just thinking the same thing. Somebody call and tell us that. Yeah, don't put cruncher pine in your lawn, though. We're getting older, we forget where we were. Yeah, but we were talking about what to plant in the fall. But yeah, I mean, it is, lawns are a benefit. That's what we were talking about. You have to plant more, you have to put out more seeds than you are hoping to get growth. Right. You have to share it with the birds. The birdies. Yeah, they do. Tweeting birds. We share a lot of kind of the spent blossoms and stuff from the garden for the birds in my rock garden. Anyway, I just leave the stuff there and it's amazing in the winter, the birds that will come to the skeletons of the plants, the dried plants. So I mean, they look a little messy, but I like seeing the birds. Yeah, I like seeing the birds too. That's one of the things that I have a golden retriever and he, I think he'd like to learn how to fly, you know, anything that's in the air. I don't care if it's a plane or a bird or what it is. He's always, he follows it with his eyes. He just loves it. And he wants to chase them, I guess, because he wants to see him fly partly. Well, that's a retriever in him. Yes, it definitely is a retriever in him. And I don't like the fact that he chases them away. Yeah. You know, I don't want them to stay away because I really love, I know one of our members took a class in bird identification and I think that would be a wonderful thing to know. So you knew their calls and knew them by sight. There's an app. Oh my goodness. From Cornell, from the, you know, the Cornell Ornithology Department, they have an app called Bird ID or something. Anyway, you can, it's fascinating. So I downloaded the app. I think it's a free app and you can put your phone out when you hear birds and it will document the birds that it picks up from their song. Oh my goodness. Oh, that's marvelous. I'm going to have to check into that. It's way cool and it's a lot of fun. Yeah. And, you know, of course, the bird people have, you know, backyard bird counts and that's always fun too. Yes. So this app is Merlin Bird ID. It's called Merlin, M-E-R-L-I-N. Okay. Bird ID. And it is from Cornell. And you just put the sound on, it has a little microphone and you click it and it records the bird's song and then it identifies. Oh my goodness. I never knew anything about it. You see, I'm learning today too. I love that. I love that. Oh, yeah. That would be kind of a backyard scientist. So that or not, we need to take a break and we will be back shortly. This is Master Gardner. Call us. And friends. And friends. At Grass Valley Provisions, caring for the community means supporting the people and organizations that make a meaningful difference. That's why Foothills Compassionate Care is their community beneficiary on Sundays in October. Foothills Compassionate Care provides hospice and palliative care for those facing serious illness, along with comfort, guidance, and bereavement support for local families during some of life's most difficult times. 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Join us for the most comprehensive local news in town, then get ready to answer a question about one of the stories to win the prize of the day. Weekdays on KNCO News Talk, 8 30. We're back. I'm busy sharing Merlin bird ID with Jenny. Here we go. Okay, this is Master Gardener and Friends. And I have a twisted ear. And she's got a twisted ear. That's what happens when you take them off. That's what we're talking about, our earphones, our muffs. We decided since you're not giving us enough calls, we're just going to keep talking. Well, we're going to keep talking, but we're going to tell you what you need to do. That's right. We're going to give you a job. It is October 10th, and what's the job? The job is to plant your garlic. Oh, it's time. Yes. Oh, I love planting garlic. I love eating garlic. Yeah, it's very popular. You know, it has a gets a bad rap, though, because it's called the stinking, I don't know, Shakespeare had a in one of his, his writings was about the stinking rose. I've been in Shakespeare's kitchen. Oh, no, Shakespeare's house. Really? Yes. When I went to England, wonderful. And it was, it was really cool. Just things that impress you. The floors were super thick wood. Yeah, there was actually a divot in front of the stove, because so many so often people have been there cooking people. Yeah, and hang out and just had worn that floor down. And it was just it was just this little valley. How cool to think that William Shakespeare was the same place that I was. I couldn't walk course walk on if they kept it fenced off, but you got to see it. And it was it was very interesting. Yeah. I'm so glad that I did that. Don't make me go back to garlic. Yeah. So anyway, garlic is it's a good time to I know that garlic is available at some of the nurseries now. So it's a good time to get the garlic to purchase it. And then get it in the ground between now and December. Yeah, it's like fall garlic for summer harvest. The books say September through November, but the way our seasons are running now and with the heat we've had lately, I mean more toward the end of November. Yeah, I have there's one master gardener that I used to work with, who started helped me get into the radio for one. Dorinda, if you're out there listening. Hello, Dorinda. Hi, Dorinda. Remember Dorinda. Anyway, she never plants in her garlic until November. I think she lives at higher altitude. She does. She's on tour. Yeah. Yeah, the ridge, the ridge, right. So it's a good, but it is a good time to get the garlic and get again, if you're looking for garlic bulbs, get nice, hefty bulbs that you can separate because you don't plant the whole glob of bulblets. You plant, you separate out the little garlic chunks or the bulblets. And if garlic is like other things that you that you buy, it's best to get them at a nursery. Don't try to get the ones at the market and plant them because I think a lot of times they have been pre-treated with something to keep them from sprouting. To keep them from sprouting. And the other thing is once you grow garlic, then you can use your own garlic as garlic seed. And so now there's two varieties, there's hardneck garlic and softneck garlic. And the hardneck garlic are the ones that have the stiff stem growing up through the middle of the bulb or the club, you know, that's a hardneck garlic. Softneck garlic has somewhat of a stem, but it's a softer, softer center too. the bulb and both of them are very flavorful. I did read that the softneck garlic is a little milder than hardneck garlic can get a little spicy kind of hot. Interesting that makes sense. And yeah but it's so when you buy your garlic figure out whether you want soft neck or hard neck and they should be labeled accordingly and then if it's your first time and if it's your first time you don't have to plant a lot but if you get a bag sometimes they come in a bag that's a lot of garlic. So unless you're a garlic connoisseur. But you could share it with somebody. Well I was thinking that the good reason for planting if it's the first time to plant both so you see what you prefer. To see what you like and so yeah so the so to plant garlic so garlic likes kind of well-drained soil they're pretty heavy feeders so if you have compost I would compost your beds wherever you're planting and it is recommended to use hardware cloth so put them in a raised bed or a container because gophers love garlic. Oh they do interesting. So it's really nice to have them in a sort of a protected environment like a raised bed and so I always plant mine in raised beds. I imagine that not only they probably can smell those a mile away. Oh yeah yeah oh those gophers yeah turkeys turkeys gophers yeah gopher turkeys they're not turkeys but they're gophers yeah bad gophers yeah so plant with the pointy end up and so it kind of makes some sense because the kind of rooty looking area is at the bottom so you take peel the the whole clove take take the bulb and take the clove of garlic uh-huh peel them off leave the papery stuff on as much as possible okay and plop it in the ground about I don't maybe four four to six inches deep four to six four to six inches deep for a moment I thought you said 46 oh no no no not that deep you would dig to the moon you never see it again into that gopher run there but um four to six inches yeah there and just put them in and cover them over you can mulch them during the winter if you live in areas that get a lot of snow probably nice to mulch them or mulch around the rows and when it's still warm enough if you put a little mulch in between the rows it kind of heats the heats the soil adjacent to the bulbs but then they're able to absorb the sun and then let them just winter over and then next summer when you start to see first of all with with some garlics you'll see scapes which are those tall shoots that have little um kind of bolt like kind of like small garlic bulbs on the end okay and scapes cut the scapes off you can use the scapes and sautés and things they're really good but those will actually flower and it pulls the energy interesting from the bulb and so you'll get larger bulbs if you cut the scapes off next in this in the spring summer very before your harvest so when about a quarter of the um of the leaves of the garlic because they'll shoot up like like green onion leaves that's what they look like okay um so when those start to turn brown then it's getting close to harvest pull you have to be careful harvesting them so you don't you know with a if you're using a garden fork or something you don't spear them and cut them and then just pull them out and look to see if the bulb looks fairly hefty if it's starting to pull apart then they're definitely ready to harvest so harvest your garlic when in the summer typically i harvested mine i think maybe mid-august or so okay and pulled them all out and put them in a a box and not a closed box but in a well-ventilated area to cure what or or one of those bags with the mean like an onion bag with something like that be okay or does it need to be more probably better to have it more ventilated i just put mine in like a a shallow cardboard box okay dirty they're full of dirt oh yeah and so then after they cure for two to three weeks uh-huh um then brush off the i just brushed the dirt off leave the paper though leave that tissuey um material on the covering because it protects the garlic okay so leave the paper on as much as you can you can still clean off the dirt trim the roots and if you want to trim the tops or braid the tops with a long neck garlic you can typically it's hard to use those i think probably the soft neck garlic would be easier to braid because it doesn't have that that makes sense it's like a straw almost um but i just trim the tops off and then let them cure and then put them in a in a well-ventilated area just for storage and that's when you could use the bag the you know the uh mesh a mesh bag yeah for onions or whatever and keep them in a in a dark place and i bought a bunch of those bags once i don't even remember now what it was for oh it was so many years ago but i still have a few of them left yeah it might have been when you pull your bulge it's a good place to store bulbs yeah those bags so yeah so garlic is really fun you know what else is really fun to grow that is also it's time to find the the sets are onions but shallots oh yeah really they are to grow they aren't used enough they're they're such a mild they're like a real mild onion flavor uh-huh they're in the allium these are all in the allium family and alliums it's time for alliums in fact my article that should come out today is the wonder of um allium so anyway um there are a lot of the shallots are really fun and they're a little bit like onion sets because onions you can plant by seed you can plant them by clumps they come in little bitty onion clumps they call them and you can plop those and they almost look like a green onion a tiny green onion and you can put those in the ground they're similar to sets and onion sets are like little tiny onions that come in a bag and you can plant i have in the past mostly planted onion sets have you grown green onions i have from seed from i have never grown onions by seed okay because i'm lazy but i i just i like the i don't i've just never tried it i think i should try that sometime so how do you grow that's something i'd like to go and i haven't done it well it's you know you find the seed and you start the seed you can start the seed indoor indoors before and you can really set the seeds out later in the spring early spring okay because they're kind of cool season plants because we we basically have two cool seasons based on the the planet the tilt of the earth you know we have the autumnal equinox which is our fall and so that's the beginning of the cool season and it has it goes to the daylight um that was the other thing with onions there are long day and short day and intermediate day onions and that's a whole level of complexity i was going to say that sounds complex that and it has to well the long day has to do with the amount of daylight so and oh we're out of oh we're at the top of the hour oh by golly we will talk some more yes please give us a call 530-477-5626 this is our top of the hour break a little longer you'll hear some news and then come back to us master gardener and friends so another hour of great growing advice is on the way from the master gardeners on grass valley nevada city 106.9 fm and 8 30 a.m it's 11 o'clock life doesn't stop when you need surgery but the 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and we're going to give you more things to do but we want to in case you're still wondering we're talking about planting alliums which includes garlic onions and shallots and before the break i was talking about long day long day and short day onions because and basically it has to do with the latitude of the growing area in other words the northern hemisphere the onions do better in uh the long long day onions do better because they require more more daylight more daylight it doesn't have to be direct not direct sunlight daylight okay then in the southern parts of the interesting yeah it's a very and if you want further information research it research it can get really deep and there there are some online sources for onions that are very informational um and i've forgotten the name of the place that i've ordered onions before but one year i grew um have you ever seen walking onions yes i have and and i had some and i don't know whatever happened where they they this they go up high enough that they start to form another another onion ball and then it falls over and then they plant themselves it's kind of like berries will do that blackberries yeah that's part of the problem with with blackberries is that they you know the vines grow up grow up and then they come down and they sit on the ground and they root yeah right then and there certainly do it's a different mechanism yeah but the little walking onions are the cutest things and they're they're like um kind of like using um a green onion they're small you know small they're not big big onions but they're um they're really a lot of fascinating cute yeah they're just cute fun things with the kids yeah so that's about onions and like i said shallots are really easy to grow and they're fun and they're really fun to harvest they're about the same harvest time as garlic and you pull them out it's almost like when you dig up your dahlias they're big tubers little clumps of beautiful shallots and um of course they have a little paper on them much like onions do and you just leave that off leave that in place and then pull the shallots apart yeah very interesting cool very interesting you know something we should do sometime and not today but sometimes we should ask people how they got started you know how they got how i'll try this once again easy for you to how their interest in garden beginning uh began you know who who in your family or a friend or i think that's a good thing to talk about now i mean gosh and then maybe somebody will call us yeah and share their gardening experiences his mind came from my mom she used to plant stuff in the garden with me plus i had an uncle who lived in michigan and he came out once a year to go with my dad my dad would take him to various cactus and succulent nurseries in los angeles area that's right up at the time and so he could get stock for his he had a nursery oh and so he'd come out here to get his cactus and succulents wow and it was and that got interested that was my probably my next primary my primary was my mom but then i think my uncles um coming out each year and us going to various nurseries because it's fascinating to see the stock that's kept in some of those places that are strictly cactus and succulents oh various yeah there's a place in arizona the arizona sonoran desert museum that's actually an arboretum but the varieties of cacti they have there it just blows my mind of course that's you know the sonoran desert yes and that's where you grow cactus yeah i have a few cactus well i had a they call it a thanksgiving cactus because it usually blooms at thanksgiving but i think i watered it a little too much and it's kind of struggling right now i've had it for about almost 10 years kind of like a christmas cactus yeah it is and i have a friend who has one that blooms at christmas easter and thanksgiving oh my word which is really interesting i think it's very interesting i have a typical kind of christmas cactus and it's it does it does sometimes i mean it has a long blooming time i like that yeah i think i think people's usual problem is not underwater it's over water yeah yeah if it starts to look a little weepy they think oh it doesn't have enough and they give it some and it's weepy because it's been over watered that's true of a lot of plants Yes, especially houseplants because they tend to get over watered. Mine don't. I just ignore mine until they are within an inch of their little life. They're grabbing their throat, gasping for air. But I'll tell you, with my African violets, they bloom like crazy. I guess because I stress them so much. Yeah, I think that helps because I used to refer to them as something else. I didn't call them an African violet. I used to call them a frickin' violet because I had so much trouble. But I've gotten much better with them. Yes, much better. And it's been more ignoring them, not paying so much attention to them. Same thing with orchids. Although orchids do need a little more water than African violets. If I get an orchid, I generally give it to my daughter-in-law because she seems to have a... Does she have a knack? Well, she has a knack, and she has an area in her house that has one of those great big bath tubs. You know, the corner bath tub with windows on two sides. And they don't really use it as a bath tub. They use it as a plant place. They use it as a plant place, and they do beautifully there. Oh, nice. Just beautifully. I don't know that she's ever killed one. Wow. Maybe I should give her mine. Yeah. I've given her mine pretty soon she'll have a forest in there. Yeah. Oh, nice. Everybody. Okay, what else are we going to tell people to do? Pull weeds, of course, as always. Always. And don't put them in your compost. Well, you know, there's a little different school of thought. If you can be assured that your compost is going to get plenty hot to kill the weed seeds, and by plenty hot, I mean 140 degrees or above, and sustain it for a couple of days, then I'd say, yeah, you can put weedy material in, but just make sure it's not flowering because that's where the seeds are. Yes. And, but typically, we try and avoid a lot of weeds. You don't want to put anything that's diseased in your compost. No. Or I would also say you might want to, rather than, you can compost leaves, leaves are great browns, but you can also leave the leaves. There was a, the Xerces Society had a a push, kind of a public announcement push to leave the leaves because they house insects and insects feed the birds. And so, I mean, a lot of people don't like leaves covering their lawn, but it also serves as pretty good mulch. Yes, it does. I tend to borrow the leaves from one place and put them on another and use them as mulch. Well, and right now, the hard part with the leaves, at least in the area I live in, I have pine trees and oak trees, and I don't want the pine needles in my compost because they're just going to be there forever. They take a long time to break down. They do. Yeah. Too long. Yeah. So, I have to, and so I've told the guys, put the pine needles up in a pile up the hill, away from the house, et cetera, and the oak leaves in the compost bin. Oh, good. So, it's kind of fun, I'm sure, for them to have to keep them divided, but there's enough separation in the areas that they grow in. So, we do have a text. We do. Yay. It goes, let's see, this was at 1045, so forgive me for not noticing it until now, whoever sent it. Um, puncture vine seed is not allowed by law to be shipped to our area. Look it up. How interesting, that's good for us to know. Thank you from whoever, Karen, thank you very, very much for that information. Good morning and welcome back, Ginny. Oh, thank you. So sweet. And then the radio guy. So, I had two texts, so wonderful. Thank you for texting. And thank you for that information, too. That's good for us to know. Master gardeners don't hit it all, and that's a really good thing to look it up, but that's something I would like to investigate. There's probably a number of states that it's not allowed in. Because it's a nasty, and with all due respects to Bruce, I'm not sure why I would plant that. No, I wouldn't want to spread it. It's like other things we've gotten into our area that... There's a lot of invasive, we have star thistle, like crazy. And that's not good for horses. No, I mean, our horses just don't, they don't need it. But it sets up a whole area that it just taking over pastures out where we live. Not so much mine, because we are trying to remediate it and get rid of it. But it can be troubling. I'm not even sure that goats will eat that. No. I mean, I've seen goats, like if people put them in an area to take out blackberries, well, they'll take the leaves off, but they don't take the stems. Oh, yeah. I think, yeah, that they're hard to get rid of to the blackberries. Yes. We just pulled them out. And they're really tough to pull out. I live near a farm that grows blackberries for restaurants. And the people that have the restaurants prefer the wild blackberry flavor to the... Well, they are good. I mean, you got to say there was something about the, you know, something to the people bringing it over because the berries really are flavorful. But boy, are they the dickens to pick. Oh, yeah. They're so prickly. Yeah. Now, they've gotten thornless blackberries of some sorts. Why can't they get thornless Himalayan blackberries? Why can't they develop those? Maybe you seal get on that. Yeah. We'd be nice when they taste so good. They are looking at biological ways, biologic methods for combating star thistle. That being, I think it's a moth or something that sits in and it keeps the... It prevents the star thistle from blooming, which would keep the counts down. Oh, and we have a caller. Mike, are you there? Yes. Hi. Good morning. You're on the air. Yes. I had a Christmas cactus and it bloomed once in 10 years. Well, shame on you. How interesting. Wow. I wonder why. Yeah. And it bloomed a beautiful pink flower. And I also heard that Saguaro cactus will live for 150 years. They do. Oh, that's wonderful. They are so beautiful. That was one of my favorite. I went to school in Tucson and I just love the Saguaros. And they have beautiful, beautiful white blossoms. Well, the Indians are allowed to harvest the fruit that grows on them. Yeah, in fact... And it's supposed to be very good. It is good. In fact, I have... It's called... You know, prickly pear cactus also has a variety that they call it a prickless pear. So it has little, tiny, furry, prickly things versus really sharp, pointy prickles. And so the prickly pear has fruit on it every year. It flowers and then the fruit comes and it makes delicious jelly. I had a friend who wanted it. And so how interesting. That's neat. He wants a prickly pear fruit. I heard that you can cut open a barrel cactus and survive out in the desert with it. I'm not sure how much of that is really true, if that's true or if that's folklore. Is it the liquid that they're referring to? Probably, yeah. Yes. I don't know. Yeah, that's what I have heard. I heard that when I lived in the desert. Interesting. Well, if you go out there and cut open a barrel cactus, I'm not going to do that. Well, you ladies have a very nice day. Thank you for the call, Mike. Good luck with your Christmas cactus. I hope may it bloom again soon for you. Do you feed it? I had to give it away. Oh, I'm sorry. When did you give it away? And do you know if it has bloomed for that other person? Well, I'm not sure. My mother had geraniums that sent runners around her kitchen. Oh, wow. She might do real well with the cactus then. They are very hardy plants. Okay. So thank you very much, Mike. Thanks so much, Mike. A good call. Have a wonderful day. And we need to take a break. Bye, Mike. We need to take a break now. This is Master Gardener and Friends. Have you seen how outdated our window treatments are? Yeah, we definitely need to do something about that. What are you thinking? I was checking out Budget Blinds of Grass Valley. 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I'll take them off and put them back on. That'll help. There you go. So we've been talking. We've had a couple of interesting calls. We were talking with Mike about his Christmas cactus and we got talking about cactus and he made the comment about the folklore myth that barrel cactus in the desert that you can cut them open and there's water in there. And that actually, I'm sorry, Mike, is false. So don't plan on not taking water to the desert because barrel cactuses have, they do have moisture in them, but it's a slimy, pulpy mess. It's cactus blood. So I would not be cutting open. Plus, it's probably illegal in the desert to do it anyway. It wouldn't surprise me. If everybody did it, there'd be none left. Be kind to our cacti. So let's move on to what the Master Gardeners are up to. My gosh, we still have some great workshops. We talked earlier about the one that is on today, the Native Plant Roundtable. Your questions answered. That one's probably winding up. They're probably winding up about now. But there are still four left after that. On October 17th, a week from today, is designing and planning your vegetable garden. This would be a really good workshop. And all of our workshops are free. But this would be a good one for somebody maybe who's new to the area and wants to start planning a vegetable garden for next year, or really anybody who wants to plan their garden for next year. So it's probably pencil on paper type of planning, but they are going to talk about planning vegetable gardening. That's always a good thing. I haven't done it for a while now because it isn't a family situation anymore. It's just me. You and your dog. Me and my dog. Another place for him to dig. He's a good digger. On October 24th, 2 weeks from today is compost. That's hugely important and a real good, Well, and information is given out on paper. That is ABC. I know there's a little brochure put out by the University. It's real helpful. It's real helpful. It's small, but it covers everything. Yeah. I'll see if they have, we should have plenty of those and we can give those away for free. Yes, we do. Yeah. And actually, the nice thing about the compost workshop in the demo garden, all of our fall workshops are going to be in the demo garden, which is our garden on the NID grounds at 1036 West Main Street. And the compost one is really cool because we have a demonstration compost. And Susan, who's going to be teaching the compost workshop, will take anybody who wants to go and visit the tour, kind of on a tour of the compost area in our demo garden. Okay, that's good. And see what kind of a setup we have. It's really cool. Yeah, and that gives you the, and again, this little brochure that I'm sure we're going to be handing out is so comprehensive and so brief. It's wonderful. Very useful. Yeah, just the basics. Yep. And on November 7th, we're going to have a workshop on fall fruit tree pruning. That's a very popular and very good and timely workshop. Well, and the thing that's nice is that we have taken our trees in the demo garden from tall trees that we had to get ladders to pick, and they are now almost all that can be picked from the ground, which is wonderful. And we can have you doing the same thing at your own orchard. Yeah, so it'll be hands-on demonstration kind of workshop. It's a good workshop. And the last one for this year, last workshop is November 14th, and it's on blueberries. Very timely because that's the time to be thinking about it and getting ready to plant. It is. And I know someone who was given two potted blueberry plants that were established. They have done wonderfully ever since. That's so good because blueberries can be a little tricky because they require so much acidity in the soil. The pH of the soil has to be just so for them to really thrive. And blueberries, it's funny, but it's one thing that I don't know what went wrong, but as a younger person, I didn't care for them. And now I love them. And I don't know if I just got bad blueberries in the beginning. Maybe, maybe. It's like I know someone that can't stand celery, and the reason he can't stand celery is because it has such an awful taste. Well, he must have gotten old celery. Oh, yeah. Because when it's been around a while, it doesn't taste very good. But when it's nice and fresh, it tastes wonderful. So I'm going to somehow convince him to try it again. Oh, good. Because he's about 18 or 19, and he had it in school, and I bet somebody just brought in old. Bad celery is bad celery. Yeah, bad celery is bad. That's true of any vegetable. So just again to quickly review this, October 17th is Designing and Planting Your Vegetable Garden. October 24th is Compost. November 7th is Fall Fruit Tree Pruning. And November 14th is Blueberries. Good. So all of those to be at the demo garden. Yes. So join us. Our workshops are free, and they're a lot of fun, and hopefully we'll have good weather. We'll see. Yes. Search our website, which is ncmg.ucanr.edu, or just Google Nevada County Master Gardeners. Uh-huh. And you should find our website. And then if the weather is looking a little rainy, consult the website to make sure if the workshop has been canceled or postponed or whatever. Yeah, depending on the weather. Yeah. We'll probably be fine through that time for the most part. I hope so. Yeah, I hope so too. I mean, we do need the rain. Another great thing to do right now is if you're planning to put in a flowering deciduous tree of some sort, deciduous meaning it sheds its leaves, if you're planning to do that, go to the nurseries now and look at them because this is when they're showing their color. Yeah. That's a good idea. You could pick it out now and take that pot home even if you wanted to. Sure. And leave it in its pot until you're ready to plant it in the winter. After some rain. Decide where you want the color. Yes. And that's what I've done with trees before I plant is I'll keep them in the pot and I'll move them around. Yeah. And decide where I want them. That's a good idea. And think also about trees that might shade the new tree. Yeah, that has happened. And if they're flowering, they probably need. I had an interesting thing happen with trees. I picked out a Chinese pistache. The color is beautiful. Apparently, with the girls and boys in Chinese pistache, the girls stay small. Really? Yeah. And so even after the length of time this one's been in the ground, it's still quite small. It's not a big tree at all. Interesting. And it should be by now because it's been in the ground for probably 15 years. I don't have a Chinese pistache. They're beautiful. But they are beautiful. Yeah, very pretty. I have a couple of native western red buds, and I planted a native white dogwood last year, and it made it through the summer. So hoorah, I'm happy about that. Going in the right direction. Yeah, yeah. And if you have succulents, you should be cutting back on the watering of those. Yes. Now that the heat wave is over, or when the heat wave is over, maybe that's a better way to look at it. Make sure the heat wave is done and then cut back because they don't need as much. Give them just enough to survive. Right. Too much water during a real cold weather can turn a succulent to mush. Yeah. So I wanted to also share with our listeners one of the – I think I've shared this with you guys before. It's a blog from UCANR, and it's called Pests in Urban Landscape blog, and they post some really interesting information about different pests or different things going on in yards at different times of the year. It's available at this website just as soon as I find it. It's called UCANR Blog Updates, Pests in Urban Landscapes, and it has a whole blog about October pest management tips. So it talks about leaving the leaves, and let's see what else it talks about. All kinds of different things having to do with pest management, which UC does really well. They have a new format for their IPM, which is Integrated Pest Management website, and they have a tremendous amount of really good research-based information about different yard pests and things. So this one talks about this particular blog. There's one about pest management tips, and then Rose Cultural Practices, Abiotic Disorders and Diseases. It's a webinar that you can listen to for free from this website. So if you're a rose person, that might be a good resource for you. There's a little article about nuisance flies in the home, and then pests of the backyard chickens. So there's quite a bit on this website. And what was the website again? It's the UCANR Pests in Urban Landscapes, UCANR.edu. 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And if you have some houseplants that have spent the summer inside, take them outside and wash them off also. And let them get dried off. Bring them back in at night. So, it would be good to do that in the morning. Just have a little houseplant bathing party. Yeah. And check them very carefully for aphids. Both situations, make sure something hasn't gotten on them. Yeah. You know what I have a lot of right now are these little gnats. They're like little – I don't think they're fleas, but they're little gnats. And they love to grow. And, of course, underneath my cabinet in the kitchen is where I keep my – what I call my chicken bucket because I give my scraps to the chickens. Uh-huh. And then – because they love that. They love that. And then I save old coffee grounds for my blueberries. Very good. And compost pile. But those little gnats are crazy. Little gnats drive me crazy. But I think they also live in my houseplants. I have a garden window over my kitchen sink, and that's where I have my violets. And I spray all of those. Although violets don't like being – They don't like overhead water. They don't like overhead water. Nope. You shouldn't spray your African violets or any of your fuzzy stuff. Christmas cactus or Thanksgiving cactus, whatever, your inside cactus is a good one to spray off. Some of the other spider plants and things like that can be sprayed off. Yeah. And just give them a boost. And, boy, it was a dusty summer where I live, so – It was dusty at my house, too. Yeah. I thought that the same. It was really dusty because we live out in the country in Penn Valley, and it was really dusty. And something I had to keep doing this summer, not on plant for the moment, but keep washing off my solar panels. Oh, yeah. That's a real good point. That's not really gardening, but, yeah, we have gone out and washed – It's necessary. We have ground-mount solar panels, and, boy – So do I. They have needed washing. We've washed them just about every month, I think, this summer. Yeah, I think I have, too, and they need that. Yeah. Otherwise they don't operate to their full function. Yeah. We love our solar. And if you're having somebody else with ground mount solar panels, if you're having someone else weed whack for you, have them be very careful. Somebody broke one of mine. Oh, no. Yeah, and because they're old, it took getting them from Arizona to here. Oh, dear. You know, it's just one panel. Oh, dear. And the panel only cost $40. They wanted $150 to send it. So I have a long story short, but my granddaughter was going to visit my unofficially adopted son in Sierra Madre. So she brought it from Arizona to Sierra Madre. And when he comes up at Thanksgiving, he's bringing it from Sierra Madre up to here. And then we'll get it installed, and I'll have all of them functioning again. Thanksgiving solar. Yeah. I like it. It's great. Isn't it wonderful? Families and friends are wonderful things. Speaking of Thanksgiving, I want to put a plug in for the Master Gardeners of Nevada County. Actually, a lot of nonprofit organizations will also be having the Big Day of Giving, which comes right after Thanksgiving. And it's a big whoop-de-doo push for many nonprofits of all sorts, including the UC Master Gardeners of Nevada County. So if your heart is led to donate to us, that would be a lovely time to, you know, just a couple of bucks even is very, very much appreciated. Because as some people know, and some people don't know, is that we don't get any money from UC. UC supports us in many ways, but not monetarily. We don't. We have to support ourselves. We support ourselves. We have our own budget. And so whatever programs we have, we pay for, basically. Yeah, the two things that our Master Gardener Guide are... Yeah, their revenue. Those are the ways we make money is our Western Sierra Foothill Garden Guide. Which you can get at most of the nurseries. Yes. Or at our office. Or our workshops, too. We sell them. And the Garden Guide is still available. We still have plenty of copies for Christmas buying. If you have a neighbor who's maybe new to the area, they're wonderful gifts. Well, and the way we look at it, unless you have some specialty book you want, if you have the Western Garden Guide by Sunset, and you have our Foothills Garden Guide, that's really all you need between the two of those books. The Western Garden Guide, the one that we put out, is actually written by Master Gardeners. It is. And we update it periodically. Yes. In fact, we just talked the other day about updating it. Doing another update. Doing another update pretty soon. So that's probably going to be in the hopper in the next year or so. So watch for that. And our other revenue stream is our plant sale. Yes. And then we also love donations. Yes. Thank you for that. Those are always nice. Thank you for that. So what else are we going to talk? It's going to be Halloween soon. Can you believe that? No. I can't believe that it will be Halloween. No, I can't either. It seems like summer just began. It does. And you know, everybody always says, the older you get, the faster time goes. But I never really appreciated it until this year, because I don't know where this year has gone. Yeah. Maybe it's because I have grandchildren now close by, and you see it in them. Oh, I have all ages. The youngest is five months old, and then five months, three, five, six. And I have another two-year-old in Virginia, and 11-year-old. I'm working on great-grands. Oh, my goodness. My grandchildren are having children. Oh, congrats. And in fact, I have one boy and two girls, great-grandchildren. Oh, how wonderful. And it is. Unfortunately, none of them live here. Oh, I'm sorry. That's always the hard. But that's the thing with families today. We are all in the same little area. Time to have a family reunion. Yep, it certainly is. So because it's going to be Halloween, a couple of years ago, I decided that I would do research on spooky plants. Oh, how interesting. So I did a couple of articles over the years, because for the union, I've been writing for the union for a while. And so I looked at different kinds of scary plants. And one of the big ones that is really kind of freaky, it's called the corpse plant. Have you ever heard of that? I have. And they're kind of hard to find. I think there's one in San Francisco. But when they bloom, and they don't bloom very often, but when they do bloom, they smell like dead bodies. That's what I've heard, too. Because I remember there was one in San Francisco a few years back that they were telling everybody, if you want to see it, these are the dates it's open, and these are the hours. And then there's another one called the bleeding gum fungus. Oh, creepy. Isn't that interesting? We should do a workshop on that sometime, just to share that information. Well, I did. There was an article in the, well, you can put in garden ghoulishness in the union. But I also did a piece for the Curious Gardener, which is available to the public from our public website. Yes. And I think it was a couple of years ago, I did garden ghoulishness for the Curious Gardener. So there might be a couple of pictures of the bleeding gum fungus. So it's a lot of fun. But there's some other cool plants that you can find that don't necessarily have to be spooky. But there are really nice plants that you can plant in the fall. Ginny mentioned flowering trees, but they're also flowering shrubs. Oh, yes. That you can plant in the fall. Mahonia is actually a native plant, and it's a beautiful plant. I need to get some. And in fact, I think our Redbud chapter plant sale was last week, maybe. So but I, you know, more and more of the nurseries in town are starting to carry native plants. So you might find some native Mahonia that has actually beautiful, almost holly-like berry, holly-like leaves. And so many of the native plants take less care. Yeah, initially they need, you know, you need to water them, get them started. But once they are established, they just do their thing. I have a Fremont Adendron. Oh, yeah. It's growing instructions are ignore it. Yeah, it really is. They really are. They really, they're, they're a pretty prolific, prolific grower. Why don't we take another break since we have one? Since it's time. And thank you, John, for reminding us. And give us a call if you would. 530-477-5626. You have 10 minutes. Yes, we're waiting for you. Why is my lawn still drinking like it's July? Good question. Even when it's still hot outside, it's a good time to check your water use. Check your irrigation timer. Look for leaks and broken sprinkler heads. And don't forget to check faucets and toilets for leaks around the house. 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And Daphne is another thing you don't want to pay too much attention to and you don't ever want to move them. Yeah, that's what I've heard is that they really struggle when you transplant them. Yeah, I've never, I have one that's gotten very, very large and I've never transplanted it. I wouldn't, no matter what. Right. But, so yeah, this time of year, new trees, shrubs, and perennials are good to plant in the fall. It is easier after our first rain. Yes. Because the ground is pretty hard. Our clay soil here in the foothills is really tough. Um, and let's see, what else? Move potted plants under cover to avoid overwatering or frost damage. That's kind of down the road. And we have, we have Fred from Georgetown. Hi, Fred. Fred. Hi. Hi, you're on the air. Hi, Fred. Hey, man. Hello, ladies. I just had some quick tips to share. Good. Usually once a year, I do this. Good. When you're talking about planting bulbs and bone meal, okay, that's very good, all that. To keep the critters from digging it up after you plant everything, sprinkle bone meal around the area and the critters will get confused. They'll smell the bone meal. Okay, where is it? Well, there's nothing here. Really? That's a great idea. I've never tried that. That would be interesting. Yeah. What else? The bone meal phosphorus is, when you're talking garlic, you want to make sure there's plenty of phosphorus. Very important for bulb development there as well. Right. Also, it's good with our soil around here to add sulfur to your soil. That gives the potency and develops the allicin in the garlic and onions and brassicas, all those plants, they all need- Like the sulfur? That's more of a nitrogen type. No, no, no, no. No, it's sulfur. Sulfur. Yeah, that's an element of its own. Yeah. So how much sulfur do you add? You just kind of sprinkle it around. You know, short of dumping the whole bag in one spot. It's not a big deal. Your soil biology will make it available for the plants. There's also a gypsum sulfate that is also very bioavailable, and that's good for counteracting the high magnesium we have in the soil around here. Interesting. Cool. Good tips. And now you live in- Georgetown. Georgetown? Or are you in Grass Valley? No, Georgetown. In Georgetown. Oh, cool. What elevation are you up there? About 2300. Oh, that's not too different. Yeah, yeah. Well, how great. I'm so happy that you called. That's good. What other big tips do you have for us? The other one is for- There's a lot of plants, well, in the fall that you can propagate. You know, look them up, whatever your deal is. You know, propagate from cuttings. I'm kind of a lazy gardener, and I don't have my watering system automatic. So what I do is I take the ubiquitous four-inch plastic pots that you get your plants in. Oh, yes. Yeah. Well, when you- Take like a half gallon plastic jug like for milk or juice or whatever, cut off about the bottom inch or so where it's flat at the bottom and cut the bottom off of that and it fits perfectly inside the pouring pot. The reason that's important is like for me, I can set up a whole bunch of those and remember to water them. I can sprinkle water right over the top of all that and it goes down the sides of the jug into the pot instead of over it and then of course it comes with a cap. Some plants really like the high humidity and some don't, so you can leave the cap off of the ones that will mold if you have it too humid, but it should be that trying to make a plastic bag and some hoops or something to keep the more, you know, that's a good way. That's a great idea. And a good way to recycle your milk jugs. Yeah, or at least get a second run of them. I guess it's repurposing your milk cartons. We like repurposing. Yeah. That's a great idea. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. I like to call that in every year because a lot of people struggle with all the hoopla. You got to go through the other methods. Yeah. Well, that's a good suggestion. So you take, so you just basically cut the bottom of the milk jug out to fit the four inch pot, and then you leave the handle and the top intact and then fit the milk jug over the pot and then water it from there. Oh, no, no, no, not over the pot, in the pot. Oh, in the pot. Yes. Okay. Otherwise, you're not going to be able to water them. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So the whole magic of that setup is, you know, it's, you snuggle the milk jug or whatever into the soil of the pot when you put the milk jug in there, and that way you can just wander through with your hose and water everything. Water it all at once. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Thank you very much. Well, thank you for that. Great. You're more than welcome. And remember, happy gardening up in Georgetown and enjoy the rest of your weekend, Fred. Thanks for the call. You betcha. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye. Great suggestions. Yeah. I see. Yeah. I remember him from way back when. Yeah? Yeah. He used to call in weekly. Nice. Yeah. He did. Well, that's good. It's been quite a long time. That's what we love about Master Gardener and friends. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. --- end of transcript ---