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The opinions expressed are those of the hosts and callers and do not reflect the opinions of the advertisers, staff or ownership of Nevada County Broadcasters. Now here is your host, Tom Fitzsimmons. And Tom Fitzsimmons on hiatus for a while, but we do want him and expect him to return in a few months perhaps. And if you would like to help Tom, you can head on over to KNCO.com and you can find Tom's message that he put on the air maybe a week and a half ago and also you can connect with his GoFundMe campaign as well. And that's KNCO.com. Fortunately, Gil Matthew is here. Gil Matthew from the Economic Resource Committee. Economic, let's see, Economic Resource Council. Sorry about that. Council. Did it used to be committee? No. It was always the Resource Council. It's always been council. All right. Well, Gil. The interesting thing about our name is that it's the Economic Resource Council because when it started in 1996, the last word you wanted in your name was development. And so they decided it wasn't the Economic Development Council. It was the Economic Resource Council. That's kind of a dirty word in those days. Yes, it was. So what I've done is I co-opted that and used that to my advantage because when I work with people, I say, remember that we are the resource for business in Nevada County. So whatever your question is or your problem is in terms of business, give us a call. We may not have the answer, but I bet you we know where the answer lies and how to open that door to get to it. So I have used the idea of resource to my advantage. And now, you weren't born yet in 1996. So when did you join the council? Well, I first joined when I owned my business here in Nevada County. The company was Benchmark Thermal. I had moved to Nevada County to build it and did. And in 1998, Larry Burkhart, who was then the executive director, came by my office and said, you should be a member of the ERC. And I said, and why would I want to do that? Because all of my product is shipped out of the county. And he told me something that I've used ever since. And that is, you know, Gil, you get a cup of water, you put it in the bucket with his cup of water with that other cup of water. And now we have a bucket of water we can throw on a fire. And so that was my reason to join back then. And then in 2002, I was elected to the board of the ERC and became the chair of the board while I still owned my company. And I didn't actually come to the ERC as an executive director until 2008 after I had sold my manufacturing company. Well, I'm glad you did it. So but I know you have you have a past that included one of our broadcasters here from the radio station. And so you so you were not in the area until what you said 1996? No, I came in 1982. Okay, there we go. And I started the business in 83. And then I sold that business in 2008. So when did you join forces with our colleague here at the radio station? Mr. George Rath. Mr. George Rath. George Rath and I had known each other over the years. And we, we decided that we would take our talent, both of them. That's all the talent we had was just two. And so he and I did a two character play for over 10 years, we did 100 performances all over the United States. And that project was called fish eyes. And it was, it was a play based on the first two disciples that Jesus selected. And they didn't get it. And, you know, yeast of the Pharisees, what is that supposed to mean? And does everything have to be a teachable moment with this guy? And they were very confused by, by the teachings of Jesus. Obviously, Peter, Peter and Andrew were the two first disciples. And Peter became, obviously, the first pope of the Catholic Church. So that's our story. Yeah. And if I recall correctly, you, you were, you took a bus or you like traveled, you drove. And I'm guessing that George took a took a hiatus from his radio show or how did that work out? Yeah, we would. We did our last performance, I think in 2018 or 19. But we would travel on the weekend, because primarily we were doing this program in churches. So we would travel to Washington, Oregon, we, we would fly if we were going to Missouri or Texas or someplace like that. So how many states did you guys visit together? I think we visited eight states. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. All the way from Nevada County. You said Missouri was the was the furthest we went. Yeah, we did Arizona, Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, Texas, Missouri. Those are all I can think of right now. Hmm. All right. So yeah, you're, you're not just a numbers guy. You're using all sides of the brain there. Both sides. Yes. Yeah, like the $6 million man. Yeah. Well, that's just my debt. Yeah. $6 million. Yeah, well, you can commit or declare bankruptcy. Okay, it's been done. So but the reason you're here today is to talk economics and but you're a well rounded individual. Well, you know, a friend of mine the other day said to me, he said, Gil, he said, you know, you're a heavyweight in the community. I said, Are you calling me fat? It's always sensitive. Yeah, it's always good to look on the bright side. That's true. Thank you, Mo. I appreciate that. Yeah, we are we are speaking with Gil Matthew, who is executive director of the Economic Resource Council. And this is Mo filling in for Tom, keeping keeping the chair warm until his return. And you recently were a part of an economic summit. Can you describe a little bit about what was going on? Yeah, it was a kind of a combination. It was the summit and the 30th anniversary celebration for the Economic Resource Council. We started in 1996. So this year was our 30th year of of helping the community. So last Thursday, we had our economic summit at the Vets Hall had about 200 plus people in the room. It was 330 to six o'clock or so. We had kind of two parts to it. We we had Dr. Neely speak a little bit. But then we had a panel discussion led by Supervisor Hardy Bullock. And we had three community businesses on stage. We had Jim Gould, whose company owns both the National Hotel and the Holbrook Hotel. And we had Tom Tanner, that is this president CEO of a company called Presenter Tech that does work in the broadcast industry. And then we had Elizabeth Strong, who is the CEO of Nevada County Free Range Beef. So it was a discussion that focused on doing business in Nevada County. What are the positives? What are the negatives of that? What are the hurdles? The last question asked is, how could that assembled group in that room assist those businesses? And what are the things they needed to see? And obviously, workforce housing and workforce are the big issues. And then we finished off the afternoon with a presentation by Gerbach Sahota. And as I introduced her, I said, with a name like Gerbach Sahota, you better have a good a good message. And she did. I did clear that with her before I said that on stage. She had a great message and talked about economic development in the rural community and what's going on in the legislature that we need to watch for. And I think the the part that came out most all was that she was talking about what are the things that economic developers can affect and what can't they affect? For instance, housing is not something that economic developers can easily affect. That's stuff that needs to be done at the state and county level. So it was a great presentation. We were all very energized by her look at Nevada County. She's very optimistic about not just the rural communities, but particularly Nevada County's rural community and how we're positioned to prosper. So it was a great message. And you mentioned that the I don't recall the name, but the beef talking about beef in this area. What is the what is the business looking like in that department, according to this young woman that you spoke with? It was Elizabeth Strong. She is the CEO of Nevada County Free Range Beef, and they run a herd of between 200 and 300 head of cattle of free range beef. What she likes about Nevada County is that her market is here. It is primarily a Nevada County market, a market that's discerning that wants grass finished beef, does not want, you know, the traditional livestock produced meats to where you see a thousand cows in a small confined area. Um, what she what she has to kind of dance between is the issue of open space versus growth. She needs a lot of range land in order to have free range beef. So that comes at a price. One of the prices is the new water rates from NID have significantly impacted her, her ability to produce beef. So she's watching that very closely. But again, her market is here. She likes this market, and she's prospering. And she so she deals primarily with this county is is any of her products sent outside the county? Very little of it goes outside the county. She does sell some into the northern Nevada area. Um, but but 90% of her product stays right here in Nevada County. And she's able to be supported by the local community. Yes. Yeah, her products are featured at Briar Patch and some of the other markets in town. Well, that's good to know. Yeah, yeah. Of course, Briar Patch deals a lot with locally produced with locally produced goods. Yeah. So it's kind of one of their missions. And so they they fit in there very nicely. Yeah, they're a major part of this community and SPD as well as some other grocery stores in this in this town and this area. As far as the hotels, I know the both of those hotels you mentioned the was at the Holbrook and the National are owned by the same company. And I think they were just purchased. Was it maybe two, three years ago, something like that. I know three years ago, about three years ago. And what is it looking like for the hotel industry? Well, the entire hospitality industry in Nevada County is doing reasonably well. I measure temporary occupancy tax, which is a tax on hotel and short term rental in the community. And that has been very strong the past year. So Jim Gould, who's the founder and senior partner of the Horizon Hotel Group, he actually lives in Chicago, but they they like boutique hotels that have a historic story to them. And so the Holbrook and the National fit nicely into their desires. He's optimistic. They have the same problem that most hospitality people have, and that is things are pretty good in the spring, summer and fall, but the winter is difficult for them. So they do all kinds of work to try to figure out ways to to populate their their hotels during those winter months. And the the other category that you mentioned besides beef and the hotel owner? It was Tom Tanner, who's the CEO, president of Presenter Tech. And Presenter Tech makes robotic instruments for presentation. So if you've ever watched, say, the president of the United States speak, and if they have someone else come and speak, those teleprompters go up and down and they go up and down their mechanic, you know, they're they're controlled by computers. So they don't have to have a guy run up there and adjust the teleprompter. They also make rotating bases for cameras in television studios. So robotic instruments that are used in the broadcast industry is is their product. And they are a prime supplier to the White House, the United Nations, and they've begun in the last few months, making some strides internationally, which is which is good news, because it's all produced here in Nevada County, and primarily with Nevada County produced products. There is all of the metal is produced here in Nevada County, all the machining is done here. So it's it's a great little company. That's fascinating. Yeah, that is that is really fascinating. I didn't I didn't know that. Well, I learned something from you, Gil. My goodness. We'll have to be careful, won't we? Yeah. And I think you introduced us to the glass blowing company a while back that produced mostly items that are used outside this community as well. Pharoah Scientific? Yeah, yeah. And but but when they produce those goods here, there is a tax benefit for this area. Yes. If it's if it's if if title is taken within the county, then the sales tax applies. Many of those are shipped out of state. And so there's not a sales tax collected on those. But yeah, you know, the names of everything, too. Pretty good. And you you're just you're just mentioning these things. You have nothing written down there. Yes, it's a it's a keen mind. Well, not necessarily. You got a what's it for a photographic memory? Yeah, I did photograph my memory once. Actually, I found myself up at Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital a couple of weeks ago. They did a brain scan. And what did they find that they haven't told me? 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Moe Howard filling in for Tom Fitzsimmons. And once again, you can go to knco.com if you'd like to make a donation. Or you can drop it by here. I know that there are some folks who still are not interested in getting on the internet, which we can appreciate. But that's knco.com and the GoFundMe campaign for Tom Fitzsimmons. And today we are talking Economic Resource Council with Gil Matthew. Good morning, Gil. Good morning, Moe. Yeah. And before we get back into the economics, off the air, you were telling me, and I hope it's okay to share this, that you once met Gabby Hayes. It's George Gabby Hayes. Is that correct? I met him because I met Roy Rogers and that kind of got to be how that happened. How did you meet Roy Rogers? Well, my aunt was his, Roy Rogers and Dale Evans pianist for a time. And so as a little kid, and my aunt was also the chief organist for the First Baptist Church of Hollywood. And that's where Roy Rogers went to church. And so one summer when I was visiting, she said, if you behave, I'll take you to church. If you behave after church, I'll introduce you to Roy Rogers. And whoa, so I managed to behave through church. And when church was over, I ran up to the big organ in front of the church. And Roy Rogers was down in one of the aisles talking to people. And we went, walked down there. And so some of the people filtered away. And she said, Mr. Rogers, I want you to meet my nephew, Gilbert. And he looked down and I reached up and shook his hand. And he said, well, Gilbert, it's nice to meet you, but could you get off my boots? And I had stepped right on the toe of his cowboy boots. And you were just a kid, right? Oh, yeah. I was probably eight years old at that time. Okay. So he was kind of kidding around with you because it probably didn't hurt him. Oh, no, but his boots had silver toes on them. He wanted to keep them looking nice. Yeah, and I stepped right on them. You got them all scuffed up. He had to buy new boots. And so you didn't get a chance to meet Trigger? No. Or Trigger Junior? No. You remember Trigger Junior? Well, another interesting story about that is my father believes, and we don't have proof of this, but my dad may have been one of the trainers for Trigger when it was a colt. Because he did train a horse that looked very much like that. Some people from Hollywood came out and bought the horse. And so we're going to take credit for it. So that may have been Trigger Junior. No, that was Trigger. That was Trigger himself. Yeah, that was my dad. That was back in 1937, 1938 when he raised that horse. And I understand he fed Trigger really well. I heard he was stuffed. Yeah, he was. He overate. So I think that's what that means. All right, well, we are talking economics and also horses. And Roy Rogers and Gil Matthew is here this morning. And Gil, I saw a photo of you on your Facebook page, the Nevada County Economic Resource Council Facebook page. And it was announcing the appointment of your first youth representative. And I think her name is Elena Miller. It is. Is that correct? Yeah. So tell us about a youth representative with the ERC. Yes, that subject came to the ERC almost a year ago. We talked about it. Because one of the things I do is I sort of preach about the sustainability and the vibrancy of our economy is going to pass to the youth. They're going to grow up. And so the youth are an important part of how I see economic development. And so the subject came about, do we even know what the youth want or like? And at the same time, the county embraced a project called a youth commission. So those two things kind of dovetailed together. Wasn't planned. It happened. And so the ERC board of directors talked about, should we have a youth representative? And they finally decided to do that. So they interviewed three candidates from Nevada Union and selected Elena Miller to be the youth representative to the board. So she'll be at our board table tomorrow morning representing the youth. And she and I are also working on a project called a youth resource ladder. So when youth have questions about where do I get this, we'll have some data for them to do. And so she's conducting workshops, you think? Is that how she's collecting her information? No, she and I are building this information ladder and she will have it available. We're not sure how we're going to get it out to the community, maybe on our website or some other website, but she's at least involved in the production of that. Yeah, this picture of you and she together. What a nice picture. And she looks very happy and enthusiastic. She's extremely bright. She's extremely nice. And we feel fortunate to have her as a representative. The other two that interviewed for are fabulous candidates also. So it was a very tough decision, quite frankly. It reinforced our belief in youth in our community because there's some really fabulous kids here. Yeah, we run into a lot of them. They come into the studios here at the radio station. And yeah, they're interested in having a good future. So they're getting involved in a lot of different aspects. So we appreciate that. You know what? I think we should head on into the news booth and visit with Chris Gilbert. And then we'll come back and talk more. And maybe you can go over some of these numbers that you provided. We can add them up if you want. Well, no, that's Chris Gilbert's job. Oh, OK. Chris has more fingers than we do. I'm Chris Gilbert with the KNCO Local News Update. The sanitation of the NID water system received overall good grades from the latest five-year update presented to the board of directors at their recent meeting. The board received a presentation before it was to be forwarded to the State Water Resources Control Board about a month ahead of the December deadline. It covers the Yuba and Bear River watersheds. 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Mo in for Tom Fitzsimmons on this Wednesday. And our guest is Gil Matthew, who is, were you in once a month, Gil? Yes. Yeah, okay. I'm not sure about the timeline, but yeah, I figured it was about once a month. So thank you for making this a part of your travels because I know you're a busy guy. Well, one of the things I talk about when I'm out in the community is I talk about KNCO and what an asset it is for the community to have a community radio station that serves us on a very personal level. We can all tune into stuff out of Sacramento, but their reports are about Sacramento and we have KNCO. And I can tell you that the minute the snow flies, everybody tunes to 830. Yeah, and Tom is such a big part of that and has been. He's worked hard to keep this a local station because it's not easy these days. A lot of radio stations have, that were used to be powerhouses, news powerhouses, local stations. Have gone satellite. And this, fortunately, this radio station, and that's because of Tom's efforts. And that's another reason I can't wait for him to come back. Yeah, we wish him well. And of course, he's a big part of everyone's mornings and has been since for the last 31 years here on KNCO. Well, you brought in some numbers about something called a composite index. What is that all about? Yeah, I started thinking about this about three years ago, four years ago. There's lots of indexes out there. The most famous index is out of the University of Michigan and it's called the Consumer Confidence Index. And it's an index that I've watched for probably 30 years. But I wanted an index about Nevada County because we're different. We're very unique in lots of ways. And so I began fussing around with this idea and then we published our first index last year. We just published our third publication of it, which we publish every three months. So it's a quarterly report. And what we do is we measure seven different sectors and create a single digit number for how the economy is doing. And so this report shows that we're at 47.15, which is up from the previous report, which I think was 42 something. So we get to watch this as time goes on. This index says if we get three, four, five years out, the index will become more important because we'll begin to see that long-term trend. One of the things that I snicker about is people who watch the stock market every day. It's so volatile that it makes no sense. But you look at the stock market over a year, over two years, over five years, and you begin to see trends. Well, that's the same with our composite index. So we will continue doing this, hopefully long after I left the ERC, that they will continue to publish the index. But we measure seven sectors, the unemployment rate, the median home price, median household income, the number of building permits, the number of fictitious business names that are registered, the temporary occupancy tax, and then sales tax. And we go through a statistical analysis of those called normalizations. We create a normalization, and then we create the index out of that. So if you could back up just a little bit and explain that fictitious business name. Yes. Because I remember that folks that began a name or a business that had a fictitious name, such as Laundrie and Moore or something like that, that they had to publish that name in the newspaper. I don't know if it's still that way, if the newspaper has that weight, or do they still need to do that? And if so, where do they do it? The union is the primary place here, or you can do it up in Truckee. I think it's the Sun or something up there. But yes, if Moe Howard wants to start a business selling ice cream cones, and he wants to call that the world's best ice cream cones, we don't know who that owner is. So cases of liability, things like that. So you're required to have a fictitious business name registration, and you do that through the county. I think it's $25 to register that. And then you have to publish that name in a public publication. Given that's happened with newspapers, I don't know how much longer that's going to happen. But at least at this point, it still needs to be published for three weeks to notify the world that Moe Howard really is the best ice cream cones in the world. So we know who owns that. Oh, okay. And so I do two things. One, I count the number of applications for fictitious business names every month. And I also capture the people who own that. And we also send them a letter, welcome them to do business in Nevada County. So the fictitious business names are two parts for me. But yeah, the idea that fictitious business names have something to say about future economic growth. If that number continually rises, we can expect more economic activity. So it's a fairly good indicator of looking forward to economic activity. And just looking at the big picture with this composite, is there anything you'd like to say about it? Well, the composite is interesting for me because I say over time, we're going to see a trend that goes. And how are we doing relative to trends in other parts of the world? So not only do we have the trend, but I do an analysis of the numbers. And because if we look at them on the backside of their sheet, you'll see the seven sectors. And there's a whole bunch of numbers there. And you can see how those numbers have moved over time. So we went back to 2018 and gathered all the numbers to publish our first index, which was published in last year. Yeah, and looking, as you would expect, just looking at the unemployment and 2020, that makes sense, right? Yep. That 2020 would be such a high number, but otherwise, it's pretty close every year, right? And currently, you show the unemployment number is 4.8. Yes. 4.8. And the median household income, 64,953. Yes, now those numbers are computed based on a CPI. So one of the things that happens is, because of inflation, you may get more money. But is that really more money? Because the inflation is going to soak it up. So we go back and we all of the median household numbers, the median home price, and those numbers are all have a factor based on the CPI. And we show the CPI, we don't show it on this here. But I do have that CPI. So it's all based on a CPI that goes back to, I think it goes back to, I'm not sure. Well, this form shows 2019, but it goes further than that? Yes. Yeah, the CPI goes further back than that. Yeah. Well, some pretty interesting numbers. Is there a place that the average human being can go? Is there like a website where we can see these numbers? Is this just your information? No, it's on the ERC website, published for the community. So you go to www.ncerc.org and the Economic Composite Index is there, along with the Business Sentiment Index. All right. Yeah, very interesting though, to see all the numbers spelled out there. And I think we need to take a break here. We'll come back and finish up with Mr. Gil Matthew and the ERC. It is 949, 55 degrees. Have you been putting off an MRI because you're worried about feeling trapped inside that big tunnel? Hey, I'm Dr. Mark Clayton. And at Clayton Imaging, we do things differently. Our specialized extremity MRI is designed for the parts of your body that take the most abuse. Your feet, ankles, knees, hands, wrists, and elbows. 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So it was a six cylinder, not an eight cylinder like those, like the Hemacuda or, you know, some of those muscle cars. But it got good gas mileage, which would be nice to have today. With gas prices so high. And I'm thinking about all that, all that median income that's going to gas prices to buy gas now. But yeah, we're talking ERC with Gil Matthew. And the, there's a board meeting going on, I see here among your notes. Is that, is that current? It's tomorrow morning. Okay. What's going on at this board meeting and where is it? Tomorrow morning at 730 up at the Association of Realtors, Esterly Hall will be the monthly ERC board meeting. And the topic tomorrow is a presentation by PG&E about the state of their infrastructure hardening. So we'll get to hear from Brandon Sanders about how much underground they've been able to put in, how their sensors are doing on their poles. And the whole, whole business of PG&E. He's a delightful guy. He's, he's very durable. He is willing to take the slings and arrows of conversations about PG&E. And each year in November, he comes and speaks to the ERC. So it's open to the public. Anybody can show up. The coffee is on at seven o'clock and the treats are out. And the board meeting starts at 730. And we, we finish promptly at nine o'clock. Are you, are you used to getting up early enough that this isn't going to be a hazard to you? Yeah, I'm not going to show up in my pajamas. I will be fully dressed and looking, looking strong, I hope. It's about time, Gil. Yes, I know. About time you made that. So the Economic Summit, that is tomorrow. Anything else coming up in the near future with the ERC that we should be aware of? Not until the spring when we do our big tour of Nevada County. And that'll be on the 28th of April. And it's, this will be, I don't know how many years we've done the tour, but probably 20 years that we've done the tour. And we will bring in three high-end tour buses, load up 35 people per bus. And we will tour five to six businesses that I call the economic engine behind the Mancinita Curtain. And last year, I know we sent at least one representative on that bus with you. You did. You had Miss Marianne Davis on that, along with Kim Stewart. Yeah, Kim was with you as well. Kim was a bus hostess. She was in charge of one of the buses. So did both of them behave? Did one of them behave at least? Yes. Their parole officer was very proud of their conduct. Yeah, and neither of them got the motion sickness, right? That's, no, or at least not that I'm aware of. I have actually never been on the bus myself because I'm always, after everybody congregates, we put them on the buses and send them off. That's when I have to set up for the big luncheon because it's an all-day event where we serve lunch in the middle of the event. And they both had pretty good table manners, at least this time? Yes, they did. Very good table manners. Now, does it cost anything? Yes. It's $95 a seat on the bus. And you get to spend the entire day with us and you get a big lunch and treats and coffee in the morning and snacks during the day. Okay. So have you ever taken that bus tour? No, I have not. I only put it together. I organize it. I get all the sites. Obviously, I go to all of the sites we go to. So last year, we went to GeoShip, which is a wonderful new company in town. We went to Freedom Print out in Chicago Park area, or Cedar Ridge, I guess it's called. And so I do interview all of the companies we're going to go to, make sure they're okay that we're there. And they do a presentation at each of the stops. That would have been quite a surprise if the two representatives from our radio station, if one of the stops was the radio station. There you go. Yeah, otherwise, I mean, they could just stay here and take the bus as you went on the rest of the trip. Yeah. Okay. Anything else you wanted to throw out there before our music's playing? I just encourage everyone to show up at our board meeting tomorrow morning, 730, hear the message from PG&E. Okay. Yeah, that is some pretty valuable stuff. Yeah. And thank you for bringing in the gentleman who has the thick skin from PG&E. Yep. All right. So that's going to wrap it up for ERC Today. Thank you, Gil Matthew, once again, for being here. Got ABC News on the way at the top of the hour. --- end of transcript ---